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<blockquote data-quote="Drawmack" data-source="post: 855192" data-attributes="member: 4981"><p>First in response to Dire Kobold - if you check your database you'll find a subscriber by the name of Drawmack. I love your idea my only question is why PERL I feel that PHP is a much better fit to that solution.</p><p></p><p>Also I would like to note that jmuncchiello's response was much nicer this time around and I'll attempt to keep mine in the same vein.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is a statement that I stand behind. As I will explain below.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a misquote I never said that underpaying writters is a reason I won't submit to some companies. What I said is that I do not submit to companies that pay different amounts for pdf vs. print publishing. To be more clear - I will not submit my work to a company who intends to vary what they pay me based on the means of publication. I am the same person submitting the same work, my pay should not vary. I am not a salesman. I'm not going to mention names here but go on a troll through the open calls forum and you'll find them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I never suggested that you ''underpay'' the actors. It is called economies of scale. If you know or can find people who are willing to do the work for little more then a resume credit you are not underpaying them. Underpaying in the arts is a tricky matter. I know many musicians on the same caliber, if not a higher caliber, as the big name stars. However, since they have not hit it big they only command a $5.00 cover while the big names command $100.00 a ticket. There are two factors that go into pay scale with the arts one is who you are paying Lockwood is much more expensive then Dingledorf, even if the quality is the same. I am a huge proponent of using college students who, rightfully so, command a smaller pay then ''professionals''. I do not consider college students to be amatures, but I do not consider them to be professionals either. They are somewhere between the two and get paid as such. The student's main payment comes from experience not money, unlike the professional. What I suggested was that you could make the recordings cheeply by using actors who make less money.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There was a national ad campaign for adobe photoshop. The artist was a friend of mine named Donald Langsdorf. He got paid no money for that campaign because he won the right to do the art in a college contest. However when he graduated he started his first job at $10,000 above other people he graduated with - which in the long run paid a lot more then if he would have gotten paid for that campaign. Using college students does not mean that you are making an amature production. Believe me those college students are going to expect a profesional quality product to be produced so they can show it to potental employers later, an amature production does not a resume credit make. </p><p></p><p>As far as what, exactly, I mean when I say use the medium it depends on the product. I'm not talking about gratuitious use of technology. The pronounciation guide you mention would be great (especially since I can't whistle). In some products there would be no need. But how about a monster book that has a couple of avi's or flash movies of some monster's in combat? How about a 3d rendered movie that walks me through a city while an announcer takes me on a tour for a citybook? The different types of books call for different applications. I'm saying when it makes sense do it. In a 2 minute avi I can convey more to the reader then in 30 pages of text. You don't think that this would help sell your product? I do.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the Pale Designs pdf you can see my writting verbatim - they didn't even change the formating. In the book there were minor gramatical changes make to the bladder lock.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Point well taken, that was a bonus points thing. But a seperate pdf that is a character sheet I can fill out on the puter and have it do the math isn't that hard to do and it would increase sales.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then why would you make the remark about using those other programs in the first place?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The second curse of being a programmer, we must learn everything the hard way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmm, I'm proficient with word but generally only use it for draft material so I was not aware of that feature - it's neat though. However, you use word for your layout???? Wouldn't ms publish be better?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nah, linking every reference to a feat is just silly. Maybe the first one but I wouldn't even say that. I'm speaking specifically of explicit cross references - they really should be linked. Then I can click once and go there, click back once and come back to where I was.</p><p></p><p></p><p>How about being known as the guy who has cool ideas exellently executed and goes the extra mile to create a user friendly and interactive experience? I think that's better then either of the above personally.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, strong word - strong response, it's all good.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So your art will be improved by that money and my point stands it's a reinvestment.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You've got to admit that would be funny as hell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Drawmack, post: 855192, member: 4981"] First in response to Dire Kobold - if you check your database you'll find a subscriber by the name of Drawmack. I love your idea my only question is why PERL I feel that PHP is a much better fit to that solution. Also I would like to note that jmuncchiello's response was much nicer this time around and I'll attempt to keep mine in the same vein. Which is a statement that I stand behind. As I will explain below. This is a misquote I never said that underpaying writters is a reason I won't submit to some companies. What I said is that I do not submit to companies that pay different amounts for pdf vs. print publishing. To be more clear - I will not submit my work to a company who intends to vary what they pay me based on the means of publication. I am the same person submitting the same work, my pay should not vary. I am not a salesman. I'm not going to mention names here but go on a troll through the open calls forum and you'll find them. I never suggested that you ''underpay'' the actors. It is called economies of scale. If you know or can find people who are willing to do the work for little more then a resume credit you are not underpaying them. Underpaying in the arts is a tricky matter. I know many musicians on the same caliber, if not a higher caliber, as the big name stars. However, since they have not hit it big they only command a $5.00 cover while the big names command $100.00 a ticket. There are two factors that go into pay scale with the arts one is who you are paying Lockwood is much more expensive then Dingledorf, even if the quality is the same. I am a huge proponent of using college students who, rightfully so, command a smaller pay then ''professionals''. I do not consider college students to be amatures, but I do not consider them to be professionals either. They are somewhere between the two and get paid as such. The student's main payment comes from experience not money, unlike the professional. What I suggested was that you could make the recordings cheeply by using actors who make less money. There was a national ad campaign for adobe photoshop. The artist was a friend of mine named Donald Langsdorf. He got paid no money for that campaign because he won the right to do the art in a college contest. However when he graduated he started his first job at $10,000 above other people he graduated with - which in the long run paid a lot more then if he would have gotten paid for that campaign. Using college students does not mean that you are making an amature production. Believe me those college students are going to expect a profesional quality product to be produced so they can show it to potental employers later, an amature production does not a resume credit make. As far as what, exactly, I mean when I say use the medium it depends on the product. I'm not talking about gratuitious use of technology. The pronounciation guide you mention would be great (especially since I can't whistle). In some products there would be no need. But how about a monster book that has a couple of avi's or flash movies of some monster's in combat? How about a 3d rendered movie that walks me through a city while an announcer takes me on a tour for a citybook? The different types of books call for different applications. I'm saying when it makes sense do it. In a 2 minute avi I can convey more to the reader then in 30 pages of text. You don't think that this would help sell your product? I do. In the Pale Designs pdf you can see my writting verbatim - they didn't even change the formating. In the book there were minor gramatical changes make to the bladder lock. Point well taken, that was a bonus points thing. But a seperate pdf that is a character sheet I can fill out on the puter and have it do the math isn't that hard to do and it would increase sales. Then why would you make the remark about using those other programs in the first place? The second curse of being a programmer, we must learn everything the hard way. Hmmm, I'm proficient with word but generally only use it for draft material so I was not aware of that feature - it's neat though. However, you use word for your layout???? Wouldn't ms publish be better? Nah, linking every reference to a feat is just silly. Maybe the first one but I wouldn't even say that. I'm speaking specifically of explicit cross references - they really should be linked. Then I can click once and go there, click back once and come back to where I was. How about being known as the guy who has cool ideas exellently executed and goes the extra mile to create a user friendly and interactive experience? I think that's better then either of the above personally. Sorry, strong word - strong response, it's all good. So your art will be improved by that money and my point stands it's a reinvestment. You've got to admit that would be funny as hell. [/QUOTE]
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