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<blockquote data-quote="Drawmack" data-source="post: 855682" data-attributes="member: 4981"><p>Okay bad example. Let me say this. Look at sales of the firsts. The first pdf to include a print version for example. The sales of firsts are always very high, but everytime I mention this stuff everyone just argues instead of trying to find a ways to do it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>To a point you are correct but those bells ans whistles might make the product more usable. For example we saw above someone contemplating a pronounciarion guide because names included clicks and whistles. Since I can't whistle if you want to appeal to me with this product that pronounciation guide would do it. As I stated above you would have to choose which bells and whistles to include wisely, but if done right it could really make the product something else.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The largest pdf I've ever created was an 84 page user's manual for a high end game server I wrote for a client. Here is a breakdown of the time I spent on it.</p><p></p><p>Writting: 40 hours</p><p>Verifying accuracy: 40 hours</p><p>Page Layout: 20 hours</p><p>PDF Creation (with linked TOC and Bookmarks): 10 minutes</p><p>Linking the (3 page) index: 2 hours</p><p></p><p>/me hands hellhound the leaky bucket and says read your user's manual there are easier ways.</p><p></p><p>Also if you use headers properly the bookmarks generated make a linked TOC useless anyway.</p><p></p><p>[qoute]</p><p>And as I said, I have only had ONE product that I've done layout on with an Index, so that leaky pucket of yours holds water a lot less than Dextra's argument about hours in the day. I don't do indexes, I don't hyperlink them either.</p></blockquote><p>As I said above if you don't include an index that's a different story.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay that price is a bit prohibitive, did you check with your local college on getting students to do it?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Have you read why people feel they are being ripped off with pdfs? It's mainly because you don't include these bells and whistles. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Noone can really say what will happen to sales until someone tries it. The closest you can come is by looking at products that have done something similar but those products were done by big name companies which will be the arguement used against those figures. I believe that sales would increase enough to pay for it especially if you offered a standard pdf for $5.00, download the multimedia experience for $15.00 (including the printable pdf), or get it all on cd for $20.00</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Drawmack, post: 855682, member: 4981"] Okay bad example. Let me say this. Look at sales of the firsts. The first pdf to include a print version for example. The sales of firsts are always very high, but everytime I mention this stuff everyone just argues instead of trying to find a ways to do it. To a point you are correct but those bells ans whistles might make the product more usable. For example we saw above someone contemplating a pronounciarion guide because names included clicks and whistles. Since I can't whistle if you want to appeal to me with this product that pronounciation guide would do it. As I stated above you would have to choose which bells and whistles to include wisely, but if done right it could really make the product something else. The largest pdf I've ever created was an 84 page user's manual for a high end game server I wrote for a client. Here is a breakdown of the time I spent on it. Writting: 40 hours Verifying accuracy: 40 hours Page Layout: 20 hours PDF Creation (with linked TOC and Bookmarks): 10 minutes Linking the (3 page) index: 2 hours /me hands hellhound the leaky bucket and says read your user's manual there are easier ways. Also if you use headers properly the bookmarks generated make a linked TOC useless anyway. [qoute] And as I said, I have only had ONE product that I've done layout on with an Index, so that leaky pucket of yours holds water a lot less than Dextra's argument about hours in the day. I don't do indexes, I don't hyperlink them either. [/quote] As I said above if you don't include an index that's a different story. Okay that price is a bit prohibitive, did you check with your local college on getting students to do it? Have you read why people feel they are being ripped off with pdfs? It's mainly because you don't include these bells and whistles. Noone can really say what will happen to sales until someone tries it. The closest you can come is by looking at products that have done something similar but those products were done by big name companies which will be the arguement used against those figures. I believe that sales would increase enough to pay for it especially if you offered a standard pdf for $5.00, download the multimedia experience for $15.00 (including the printable pdf), or get it all on cd for $20.00 [/QUOTE]
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