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Message: <blockquote data-quote="afstanton" data-source="post: 1114364" data-attributes="member: 10492">I posted this at WotC, thought I'd post here, too:quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Andy Smith We feel that Urban Arcan is within the guidelines. Maybe just within them. Like I said, this isn't something you can write quantitative guidelines for, hence the vagueness.A) We don't use the d20 License because we own the trademark.B) Ignoring that, the nymph's nipples are covered. The standards specify bare nipples.C) Ignoring that, the MM3.5 was published before the license revision. Were it a d20 licensed product it would just have to be changed with the next printing. It would not be recalledD) Assuming the MM 3.5 had been published after the license was changed I'd probably send the publisher a letter that said "hey, you made a minor license violation, don't do it again". It would not be recalled. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------BoVD was written before I came here, so I can't honestly comment as to whether the policy now is the same as it was then.I would suggest a more holistic approach if you wanted to look at our products for examples, though Urban Arcana seems to be shaping up to be a decent guideline for our limits (I wonder how often I'm going to type "the roach thrall is just within the boundries" tonight?)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Andy, with regards to pieces C) and D) from the first quote and the sentence on the BoVD in the second quote:It doesn't matter. It's utterly irrelevant. The old version of the license protected people from retroactive product destruction, but the new version does not. If a 3rd party had published those books and not WotC, WotC would be well within their legal rights to order those texts destroyed. Not fixed in the next printing, but destroyed. At WotC's "sole discretion."That's one of the major issues here. I realize that you are asserting that WotC wouldn't do that, but that's irrelevant as well. The fact is that WotC has announced that they have the capability to order destruction of product that was previously acceptable. The safe harbor has been eliminated.With a risk like that, why would any 3rd party publisher want to invest the time and money to release a product under the d20 license? It's one thing to say that WotC would never do that, but what if WotC decides that a product is interfering with a proposed product line? Would WotC invoke the d20 and destroy it? No need to answer - the first version of the d20 logo usage guide made no mention of miniature rules, did it?What if someone creates a fantastic product that threatens d20 Future? Will that be destroyed as well?Aaron</blockquote>

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