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<blockquote data-quote="Strutinan" data-source="post: 1124152" data-attributes="member: 9267">&quot;Tempest in a tea pot&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Why not just dismiss all of this as &quot;needless fretting&quot;, or &quot;a case of the vapors&quot;, lol.Seriously folks, if people care enough to drag this on for SO LONG, then this is obvioulsy not a dismissable problem!&nbsp; YOU might dismiss it, but for every person who actually cares about this situation it is msot deffinately NOT dismissable!So far, we seem t have all settled into three camps, each of which I have some opinions on:#1: &quot;Something better&quot;.&nbsp; These folks have taken this to be the last straw in dealing with the d20 STL, or are afraid of how this version and future version will affect them.&nbsp; Now they ae looking for an aternate means of showing JUST RULES compatibility in the industry.&nbsp; So far the Free Gaming Association's &quot;Prometheus&quot; license and logo seem to be the fore-runner, and last I checked was already being adopted by many.&nbsp; And that includes me.#2: &quot;d20 System is Holy Writ&quot;.&nbsp; Sorry if this comes off as insulting, but every time I see these folks post about how &quot;there is absolutely no problems&quot; with the d20STL, or casually dismiss people's concerns over it, I want to puke.&nbsp; For some reason, these people take the extreemly egotistical view that just becasue THEY are OK so far, that EVERYBODY ELSE is somehow either incosequential, or without merrit for disagreeing with them.&nbsp; As you can no doubt tell, I find such an attitude deplorable.&nbsp; Not for the&nbsp; &quot;no problems&quot; part, but becasue of the way they disregard everybody WITH A PROBLEM!#3: &quot;Wait and See&quot;.&nbsp; These folks either have no problems with the outlined decency guidelines, or very little problem, and don't see any reason to &quot;rock the boat&quot;.&nbsp; While I personally think this kind of passive attitude isn't too wise, I can't fault anybody for being cautious.&nbsp; Hopefully the future will turn out rosy, so that they do not have to worry.&nbsp; Personally though, I'm going to guard against a not-so-rosy future.There we go.&nbsp; That is my summation and opinions on the whole mess.&nbsp; Feel fre eto disregard any or all of it, as you feel you need to.&nbsp; Just one last thing to point out:This has fractured the industry.&nbsp; What was once a united group is now three (or two, depending on how you look at it).&nbsp; That is not good for ANYBODY'S standing in the market!&nbsp; In the end, either group #1 or group #2 will be proven right.&nbsp; If group #1 is proven correct, they will become the new foundation of the open gaming industry by default.&nbsp; If group #2 is proven correct, there will be a little product and market shuffling for groups #1 and #3.In other words: less potential work PR and product wise down the road to prepare for the worst.&nbsp; If the best (WotC/Hasbro dropping the &quot;Quality Standards&quot; caluse and rendering the d20 STL inviolate) thing possible happens, all it entails is the addition of a logo and a page or so of text for one group.&nbsp; If the worst possible thing (everybody losing thier d20 product lines when the boot comes down via the d20STL) happens, then two whole groups will have to scramble to recall, destroy, redesign, and reprint all their former d20 books to the new industry standard logo: the one that group #1 had pioneered before the excrement hit the rotating blades.At least, that is my summation of the possibe outcomes from all this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Strutinan, post: 1124152, member: 9267"] "Tempest in a tea pot" :rolleyes: Why not just dismiss all of this as "needless fretting", or "a case of the vapors", lol. Seriously folks, if people care enough to drag this on for SO LONG, then this is obvioulsy not a dismissable problem! YOU might dismiss it, but for every person who actually cares about this situation it is msot deffinately NOT dismissable! So far, we seem t have all settled into three camps, each of which I have some opinions on: #1: "Something better". These folks have taken this to be the last straw in dealing with the d20 STL, or are afraid of how this version and future version will affect them. Now they ae looking for an aternate means of showing JUST RULES compatibility in the industry. So far the Free Gaming Association's "Prometheus" license and logo seem to be the fore-runner, and last I checked was already being adopted by many. And that includes me. #2: "d20 System is Holy Writ". Sorry if this comes off as insulting, but every time I see these folks post about how "there is absolutely no problems" with the d20STL, or casually dismiss people's concerns over it, I want to puke. For some reason, these people take the extreemly egotistical view that just becasue THEY are OK so far, that EVERYBODY ELSE is somehow either incosequential, or without merrit for disagreeing with them. As you can no doubt tell, I find such an attitude deplorable. Not for the "no problems" part, but becasue of the way they disregard everybody WITH A PROBLEM! #3: "Wait and See". These folks either have no problems with the outlined decency guidelines, or very little problem, and don't see any reason to "rock the boat". While I personally think this kind of passive attitude isn't too wise, I can't fault anybody for being cautious. Hopefully the future will turn out rosy, so that they do not have to worry. Personally though, I'm going to guard against a not-so-rosy future. There we go. That is my summation and opinions on the whole mess. Feel fre eto disregard any or all of it, as you feel you need to. Just one last thing to point out: This [B]has[/B] fractured the industry. What was once a united group is now three (or two, depending on how you look at it). That is not good for ANYBODY'S standing in the market! In the end, either group #1 or group #2 will be proven right. If group #1 is proven correct, they will become the new foundation of the open gaming industry by default. If group #2 is proven correct, there will be a little product and market shuffling for groups #1 and #3. In other words: less potential work PR and product wise down the road to prepare for the worst. If the best (WotC/Hasbro dropping the "Quality Standards" caluse and rendering the d20 STL inviolate) thing possible happens, all it entails is the addition of a logo and a page or so of text for one group. If the worst possible thing (everybody losing thier d20 product lines when the boot comes down via the d20STL) happens, then two whole groups will have to scramble to recall, destroy, redesign, and reprint all their former d20 books to the new industry standard logo: the one that group #1 had pioneered before the excrement hit the rotating blades. At least, that is my summation of the possibe outcomes from all this. [/QUOTE]

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