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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6641532" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Here's a good one:  What happens when it dies, or the spell expires?It's a Conjuration/Creation spell, not a Summoning.  Is there a dead body of an unnatural horse-like creature?By the way, my group has already voted on how this is handled, so this is just me trying to get a little insight, or maybe a rules reference.  Lacking that reference, their vote will stand, no matter what.As an explanation:  My character gained the ability to summon a Phantom Steed, as a divine gift, at my character's level.  He can do it as often as he likes, but loses hit points every time he does.  I don't think the DM thought this out very well though.  In our games, there is an established precedent regarding death:  We "Raise Dead" by going to the land of the dead, specific to the fallen character's religion, and bring them back.  The way to the Gaelic afterlife involves the Wild Hunt, and includes the option of challenging the Master of the Hunt to an actual hunt.  Dead PC runs, in spirit form (no magic items or gear), with a head start, and the Hunt pursues.  If the PC can avoid them until dawn, they live.  If not, they become Sluagh, the hounds of the Hunt, and never see the afterlife.  No method of Raise or Ressurect will work on them after that.The Sluagh we use are based on the4 Shadow Mastiff.  They can move at a base of 50, and can Shadow Walk, as the spell, three times a night.  If they catch you, you're done.The problem is, with that spell-like ability (that takes a Standard Action instead of the normal 10 minute casting time), my character could outrun the Hunt.  Even in Shadow Walk, the pack can only move at 500 (50 miles an hour).  At 10th level the Phantom Steed can quad-move at 800, or about 80 miles an hour.  If my character plays no tricks, employs no distractions, no ploys or obstructions at all, and simply moves in a straight line as fast as he can, he's pretty much guaranteed to win the contest.From my character's view, the challenge has always been a win/win.  He's a Scout/Ranger, and his patron deity is Vandos, the Master of the Hunt.  If he wins the challenge he gets to live again.  And if he loses he gets to spend eternity hunting by his god's side.Like I said, it's a win/win, no down side.We need to do something about this though.  The PS is an abuse waiting to happen.</blockquote>

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