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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6427921" data-attributes="member: 6669384">I think we're in agreement on part of this:&nbsp; If the power is in effect before you're bound, they can't restrain you unless you let them.&nbsp; Once you're in a situation where Escape Artist is called for, however, well, I think Escape Artist is called for.&nbsp; And those only auto-succeed when used to escape a Grapple or a Pin. (Says exactly that in the spell text.)Looking at spells:&nbsp; Does Freedom of Movement trump magical barriers like Wall of Force?&nbsp; (You can find a way through a Force Cage with an Escape Artist check of something like 60, or so I've been told.&nbsp; Haven't actually seen the RAW to back that one up.)How about Levitate?&nbsp; (Once in the air you can't move unless you find a way to propel yourself by pushing off things.)How about Wizard Lock?&nbsp; (I'd think it wouldn't, since in this case it's the door that's stopping you, the spell is just keeping it closed.)Would Freedom of Movement help if you had been dropped in a pit?&nbsp; (That one kind of needs a good Climb check more than anything else.)You see where I'm going, don't you?&nbsp; There are a lot of situations that can slow or stop a PC that just don't &quot;fit the mold&quot; for FoM.&nbsp; And, to be blunt, there's nothing in the spell that says it bypasses &quot;any&quot; mundane impediment.&nbsp; It lists a few specific ones, and a number of magical ones, but I when I read the actual text of the spell I don't see that it makes the person unstoppable.&nbsp; Maybe I'm missing something in the text...(We used to joke about the Cleric with that power up who falls out of a boat.&nbsp; Since the water can't slow them down, they would fall to the ocean floor unimpeded, and take appropriate falling damage.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6427921, member: 6669384"] I think we're in agreement on part of this: If the power is in effect before you're bound, they can't restrain you unless you let them. Once you're in a situation where Escape Artist is called for, however, well, I think Escape Artist is called for. And those only auto-succeed when used to escape a Grapple or a Pin. (Says exactly that in the spell text.) Looking at spells: Does [I]Freedom of Movement[/I] trump magical barriers like [I]Wall of Force[/I]? (You can find a way through a [I]Force Cage[/I] with an Escape Artist check of something like 60, or so I've been told. Haven't actually seen the RAW to back that one up.) How about [I]Levitate[/I]? (Once in the air you can't move unless you find a way to propel yourself by pushing off things.) How about [I]Wizard Lock[/I]? (I'd think it wouldn't, since in this case it's the door that's stopping you, the spell is just keeping it closed.) Would [I]Freedom of Movement[/I] help if you had been dropped in a pit? (That one kind of needs a good Climb check more than anything else.) You see where I'm going, don't you? There are a lot of situations that can slow or stop a PC that just don't "fit the mold" for FoM. And, to be blunt, there's nothing in the spell that says it bypasses "any" mundane impediment. It lists a few specific ones, and a number of magical ones, but I when I read the actual text of the spell I don't see that it makes the person unstoppable. Maybe I'm missing something in the text... (We used to joke about the Cleric with that power up who falls out of a boat. Since the water can't slow them down, they would fall to the ocean floor unimpeded, and take appropriate falling damage.) [/QUOTE]

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