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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6824898" data-attributes="member: 6669384">We're treading dangerously close to one of my favorite rules oddities, one that's been copied word for word into Pathfinder:&nbsp; Movement in Water.There's a table in the book that lists the results of various conditions on aquatic movement.&nbsp; It lists effects, wnd what affect they have on movement, melee attacks and whether the creature/person is off balance.It lists &quot;Has a swim speed&quot;, &quot;Freedom of Movement&quot;, &quot;Successful Swim Check&quot;, &quot;Failed Swim Check&quot;, &quot;Walking with firm footing&quot;, and &quot;none of the above&quot;.By the rules, if your character doesn't have a listed swim speed, isn't under a FoM effect, isn't wading or walking on the bottom, and neither succeeds nor fails a Swim check (i.e. doesn't even try), they fall into the &quot;None of the Above&quot; category.&quot;None of the Above&quot; says that the person is off balance, but moves at a normal rate of speed.Humor and rules oddities aside, I just had a PC in my last game/campaign that was an aquatic humanoid race called Aventi (Stormwrack).&nbsp; Aquatic or amphibious creatures get a +8 to Swim Checks, but it may not apply all the time.&nbsp; For the Aventi, they got it when using special maneuvers, such as Charge, or when avoiding a hazard.Our PC, who had taken very little Swim skill and lived heavy armor discovered that most of the time she was failing routine Swim checks and floundering helplessly in the water unless Charging or using something like Mobility to avoid a hazard.I have to admit that the group laughed at the player over that one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6824898, member: 6669384"] We're treading dangerously close to one of my favorite rules oddities, one that's been copied word for word into Pathfinder: Movement in Water. There's a table in the book that lists the results of various conditions on aquatic movement. It lists effects, wnd what affect they have on movement, melee attacks and whether the creature/person is off balance. It lists "Has a swim speed", "Freedom of Movement", "Successful Swim Check", "Failed Swim Check", "Walking with firm footing", and "none of the above". By the rules, if your character doesn't have a listed swim speed, isn't under a FoM effect, isn't wading or walking on the bottom, and neither succeeds nor fails a Swim check (i.e. doesn't even try), they fall into the "None of the Above" category. "None of the Above" says that the person is off balance, but moves at a normal rate of speed. Humor and rules oddities aside, I just had a PC in my last game/campaign that was an aquatic humanoid race called Aventi (Stormwrack). Aquatic or amphibious creatures get a +8 to Swim Checks, but it may not apply all the time. For the Aventi, they got it when using special maneuvers, such as Charge, or when avoiding a hazard. Our PC, who had taken very little Swim skill and lived heavy armor discovered that most of the time she was failing routine Swim checks and floundering helplessly in the water unless Charging or using something like Mobility to avoid a hazard. I have to admit that the group laughed at the player over that one. [/QUOTE]

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