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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1672056" data-attributes="member: 6875">And none of those template classes give hit dice.The purpose of those classes is to allow you toplay a half-dragon (eventually), evenif your GM starts the game at 1st level, and doesn't use any ECL-balancing optional rules.  IOw, to play a half-dragon when the level adjustment would otherwise render that choice not possible.Level Adjustment is still about hit dice.  Those "Transitional Classes" are to progress form one level-adjusted race (i.e. Aasimar) to some other level-adjusted race (i.e. Half-Celestial).  You slowly accumulate bits and pieces of the benefits of said template/race, while accumulating the Level Adjustment to pay for them.They're still not gestalt-able.  Levels of a "transition class" still give no BAB, Base Saves, nor Hit Dice.  There isn't even a "+0" listed for the BAB and saves ...!And in fact, the first article in the series you've pointed me to upholds my argument, and not yours: bullet #8, under "General Rules for Template Classes", reads:  While the comment on the website itself is a bit badly worded (classes don't up your level adjustment at all), the intent of the statement is clear: each "level" of a template class is actually another +1 increase to yoru existing Level Adjustment.  Hence, you would generally gain no hit dice from such a "level".  Further, the very last bullet in that same section of the first article reads:  Again; Level Adjustment is allabout hit dice.  If you don't gaina HD, you shouldn't be able to gestalt that level with a class, period.  On the off chance of a progression that went "yes hit die, no hit die, yes hit die, no hit die, yes hit die" ... I'd say that you would get "yes gestalt, no gestalt, yes gestalt, no gestalt, yes gestalt" as an option.  But anything that increases ECL without a concurrent increase in Hit Dice, should never be allowed in Gestalt with any class or other progression.  Period.</blockquote>

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