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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1177230" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Yes, this is an annoying game mechanic aspect of the <strong><em>round system</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>For example:</p><p></p><p>Round one</p><p>A casts spell</p><p>B moves</p><p>C casts spell</p><p>Round two</p><p>A casts spell, etc.</p><p></p><p>versus</p><p></p><p>Round one</p><p>C moves</p><p>A casts spell</p><p>B moves</p><p>Round two</p><p>C attempts to cast spell, but A counterspells it</p><p></p><p>The initiative order is exactly the same (A, B, C), the only difference is that in one case, A goes first in the very first round and in the other, C goes first in the very first round. So, when your opponent WINS initiative, you get to use Improved Counterspell all you want. If he loses initiative (i.e. you are faster in the first round and often because of your Improved Initiative), you cannot (without delaying).</p><p></p><p>That's total game mechanic nonsense.</p><p></p><p>There are two obvious solutions to this problem, one a house rule and one a normal rule:</p><p></p><p>1) House rule - allow the character with this feat to interrupt his next action (whenever that may be) in order to counterspell.</p><p></p><p>2) Normal rule - if your DM will not allow the house rule, then simply delay in round one until you go after all opponents. This loses your Improved Initiative feat, but gains you the ability to counterspell whenever your want (for the most part unless an enemy delays beyond you in the round).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, in our games we ignore the concept of "round" completely. It is merely a circular initiative system in our games of A, B, C, A, B, C, etc. There are no rounds except as durations for things like spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1177230, member: 2011"] Yes, this is an annoying game mechanic aspect of the [b][i]round system[/i][/b]. For example: Round one A casts spell B moves C casts spell Round two A casts spell, etc. versus Round one C moves A casts spell B moves Round two C attempts to cast spell, but A counterspells it The initiative order is exactly the same (A, B, C), the only difference is that in one case, A goes first in the very first round and in the other, C goes first in the very first round. So, when your opponent WINS initiative, you get to use Improved Counterspell all you want. If he loses initiative (i.e. you are faster in the first round and often because of your Improved Initiative), you cannot (without delaying). That's total game mechanic nonsense. There are two obvious solutions to this problem, one a house rule and one a normal rule: 1) House rule - allow the character with this feat to interrupt his next action (whenever that may be) in order to counterspell. 2) Normal rule - if your DM will not allow the house rule, then simply delay in round one until you go after all opponents. This loses your Improved Initiative feat, but gains you the ability to counterspell whenever your want (for the most part unless an enemy delays beyond you in the round). Personally, in our games we ignore the concept of "round" completely. It is merely a circular initiative system in our games of A, B, C, A, B, C, etc. There are no rounds except as durations for things like spells. [/QUOTE]
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