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<blockquote data-quote="Maudragon" data-source="post: 4360534" data-attributes="member: 72461">Or sleep. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> &nbsp;&nbsp;I have found it. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> There are two more rogue powers that cause the unconscious condition: knockout and garrote grip. In both powers, the &quot;Hit&quot; effect includes one additional save condition: &quot;If the unconscious target takes any damage, it is no longer uncoscious.&quot; Thus, since this additional clause is missing in the sleep power description, you can wake up only on a successful save. I am not happy with this conclusion, but it is consistent after all.&nbsp;Why is this clause missing? Is it an exception to the simple rule? Was it removed on purpose? If only a few monsters are immune to sleep, then this power can be very effective from level 1 to level 30 since you can always miss one or more saves in a row. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm&nbsp; &nbsp; :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /> However, the same holds true when sleep is used against the characters. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil&nbsp; &nbsp; :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />&nbsp;Ciao</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maudragon, post: 4360534, member: 72461"] Or sleep. ;) I have found it. :erm: There are two more rogue powers that cause the unconscious condition: [I]knockout[/I] and [I]garrote grip[/I]. In both powers, the "Hit" effect includes one additional save condition: "If the unconscious target takes any damage, it is no longer uncoscious." Thus, since this additional clause is missing in the [I]sleep[/I] power description, you can wake up only on a successful save. I am not happy with this conclusion, but it is consistent after all. Why is this clause missing? Is it an exception to the simple rule? Was it removed on purpose? If only a few monsters are immune to sleep, then this power can be very effective from level 1 to level 30 since you can always miss one or more saves in a row. :hmm: However, the same holds true when[I] sleep[/I] is used against the characters. :devil: Ciao [/QUOTE]

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