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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 2463463" data-attributes="member: 30610">No, I don't think you get it. WHEN do you check to see if you meet those conditions? You must meet the condition to pick out 4th level or lower when the SI spell is cast. The spell does not thereafter check for that. It's true it must be a fourth level spell, but when you cast SI you check if the named spell is a fourth level spell. You don't arbitrarily stop in the middle of things after it's cast, and check. (You do that for GLOBE, but not for SI. The two are different.)SI is worthless only if you say that every spell is different if it is cast by a different class. See my example above for the headache that can involve.Let me see if I can type this out logically.  We start with your assertion:1.  Cleric Flamestrike = Flamestrike = Druid Flamestrike.Then we have2.  SI Target = Flamestrike3.  If spell == SI Target, unbeatable spell resistanceOtherwise, If spell is NOT == SI Target, nothing happens4.  Now, the Incoming Spell = Druid Flamestrike.Druid Flamestrike == Flamestrike.5.  This satisfies (spell == SI Target),Thus there is unbeatable spell resistance.6.  Now, the Incoming Spell = Cleric Flamestrike.But we asserted above that Cleric Flamestrike = Flamestrike = Druid Flamestrike. 7.  This satisfies (spell == SI Target),Thus, there is unbeatable spell resistance.The question of what level a spell is when the caster casts it does not even factor in at that later time. The only thing that is checked when a spell targets you after SI is up is whether or not it is the same as the spell you named.Therefore, to assert that Cleric Flamestrike breaks through SI but Druid Flamestrike does not, you must assert that it is A DIFFERENT SPELL. Otherwise it interacts exactly the same as druid flamestrike.Please note that I am not saying that Cleric flamestrike absolutely cannot break through SI. I am only noting that if you do claim so, to be logically consistent you MUST consider it a different spell from Druid flame strike.I further note that it is THAT condition - where you consider every spell cast by a different class or at a different level as automatically being a different spell - that renders SI pretty much worthless.</blockquote>

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