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<blockquote data-quote="Negative Zero" data-source="post: 1240719" data-attributes="member: 3794">(DISCLAIMER:spoiler tags included to shield the easily offended, the hidden text in no way changes the statements made, but may be construed as offensive.)&nbsp;i'm sorry in advance jgsugden but, [spoiler]you're coming of as spouting self-righteous nonsense.[/spoiler] what you've said basically amounts to: &quot;my interpretation of the words is the only correct one. anything else is not only wrong, but can't be fun.&quot;&nbsp;you first say what the designer &quot;meant&quot;, then tell me that if i have a different interpretation, i'm a rules lawyer. now, if you have some special &quot;behind the scenes&quot; knowledge or the spell designer is a friend of yours, then you'll get a heart-felt apology from me. otherwise, your interpretation is no more correct than mine. &nbsp;&quot;... one looking at this phrase could decide that the disk will not allow you to sit on it...&quot; you're quite right, one could interpret it that way. but an interpretation is just that: an inference. you cannot logically build your point on inference, while condemning other points which do the same, and expect your point to retain any credibility.&nbsp;while i'm prepared to concede that using the spell as &quot;a personal flotation device&quot; is not your idea of the intent of the spell, but it certainly seems that it is to me, and unless you can show me that i'm wrong by using fact and not allusion, then your statement has no power. at least no more than mine.&nbsp;further, if nothing more as said on the issue, than that first line (&quot;that follows you about&quot;) then i'd be even more inclined to agree with you. but the rest of the description applies to the issue as well. and if you ignore it, then certainly, your argument seems more valid. but there is more to the issue.&nbsp;finally, i find it rather presumptuous that you deign to tell me what makes my game fun or that you would try to invoke the &quot;balance&quot; card over something like this. maybe it's a lack of imagination on my part, that prevents me from seeing how having a spellcaster ride a plane of force that he created (and can direct within certain spelled out guidelines) can be unbalancing. but who knows.&nbsp;~NegZ</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Negative Zero, post: 1240719, member: 3794"] (DISCLAIMER: spoiler tags included to shield the easily offended, the hidden text in no way changes the statements made, but may be construed as offensive.) i'm sorry in advance [b]jgsugden[/b] but, [spoiler]you're coming of as spouting self-righteous nonsense.[/spoiler] what you've said basically amounts to: "my [i]interpretation[/i] of the words is the only correct one. anything else is not only wrong, but can't be fun." you first say what the designer "meant", then tell me that if i have a different interpretation, i'm a rules lawyer. now, if you have some special "behind the scenes" knowledge or the spell designer is a friend of yours, then you'll get a heart-felt apology from me. otherwise, your interpretation is no more correct than mine. [b]"[/b][i]... one looking at this phrase could decide that the disk will not allow you to sit on it...[/i][b]"[/b] you're quite right, one could interpret it that way. but an interpretation is just that: an inference. you cannot logically build your point on inference, while condemning other points which do the same, and expect your point to retain any credibility. while i'm prepared to concede that using the spell as "a personal flotation device" is not [i]your[/i] idea of the intent of the spell, but it certainly seems that it is to me, and unless you can show me that i'm wrong by using fact and not allusion, then your statement has no power. at least no more than mine. further, if nothing more as said on the issue, than that first line ("that follows you about") then i'd be even more inclined to agree with you. but the rest of the description applies to the issue as well. and if you ignore it, then certainly, your argument seems more valid. but there is more to the issue. finally, i find it rather presumptuous that you deign to tell me what makes my game fun or that you would try to invoke the "balance" card over something like this. maybe it's a lack of imagination on my part, that prevents me from seeing how having a spellcaster ride a plane of force that he created (and can direct within certain spelled out guidelines) can be unbalancing. but who knows. ~NegZ [/QUOTE]

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