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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1242485" data-attributes="member: 5890">They probably felt, as many of us do, that it was an unecessary restriction, the removal of which had few or no balance issues.Well, no - if you felt you needed to do that, then it would seem to indicate that you recognised that it might offend someone. Just pointing out that if you'd spent the time required to write an upfront apology, and black it out on rethinking the words themselves, you would probably not have even risked offending anyone. As it was, you merely tried to absolve yourself of blame.I'd probably agree. It's a cool use for a 1st level spell. I was just illustrating the possible balance issues, not saying they made the spell too good.As for the &quot;if you need to jump down, you can't charge&quot; - jump checks are made as part of movement, and a jumping charge is perfectly legitimate.And levitate does what that could be tactically beneficial (and therefore is a balance issue)? It gets you into the air - the only possible power consideration is that it might get you out of the reach of some nasty critters who can't fly. Almost any other use can be replicated with a different spell of lower or equal level, most of which have other abilities, or more advantageous mechanics.tenser's floating disc doesn't do that. It MAY let you do some interesting combinations of moves and full round actions. Expeditious retreat has (in any such tactic where you make a movement) the same or a superior effect. I really don't think tenser's is that much of a problem if you let the caster ride it (especially when his buddies can ride it).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 1242485, member: 5890"] They probably felt, as many of us do, that it was an unecessary restriction, the removal of which had few or no balance issues. Well, no - if you felt you needed to do that, then it would seem to indicate that you recognised that it might offend someone. Just pointing out that if you'd spent the time required to write an upfront apology, and black it out on rethinking the words themselves, you would probably not have even risked offending anyone. As it was, you merely tried to absolve yourself of blame. I'd probably agree. It's a cool use for a 1st level spell. I was just illustrating the possible balance issues, not saying they made the spell too good. As for the "if you need to jump down, you can't charge" - jump checks are made as part of movement, and a jumping charge is perfectly legitimate. And levitate does what that could be tactically beneficial (and therefore is a balance issue)? It gets you into the air - the only possible power consideration is that it might get you out of the reach of some nasty critters who can't fly. Almost any other use can be replicated with a different spell of lower or equal level, most of which have other abilities, or more advantageous mechanics. tenser's floating disc doesn't do that. It MAY let you do some interesting combinations of moves and full round actions. Expeditious retreat has (in any such tactic where you make a movement) the same or a superior effect. I really don't think tenser's is that much of a problem if you let the caster ride it (especially when his buddies can ride it). [/QUOTE]

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