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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1245207" data-attributes="member: 2011">You have stated yourself that the reason you add this functionality to the disc is because you think the spell is nearly worthless.Who is being objective on what is actually written in the spell and who is being subjective by adding stuff in order to balance the spell?Sigh.PHB 3.5 page 294"You create a slightly concave, circular plane of force that follows you about and carries loads for you."What is unclear about this sentence?The purpose of the disc is as a "pack mule" for use in locations where you cannot take a real pack mule. Not in locations where you already have mules and/or horses. In practice for the locations where it is designed for, it does work well.Sure, you cannot take it up a ladder or rope, but you can take it up stairs. Most pack mules will balk at stairs.Only if it states that you must concentrate to direct it. Since it does not state that, it would not be fatiguing.I direct it to maintain a 10 foot interval instead of a 5 foot one. It does that until I direct it to have a different interval. You can only direct the interval (since that is the word in that same sentence “direct” refers to).Excuse me, but there is no statement in the spell that says that the firmness of the "ground" is an issue. The disc floats 3 feet off the ground and does not touch it. Now, I’m thinking that most people equate the word "floats" with "doesn't touch". As long as there is a surface below it ("or try to take the disc more than 3 feet away from the surface beneath it"), the disc is fine.If a fellow party member tripped the pit trap while the disc was over it, then the disc would be more than 3 feet above the surface below it and it would wink out.The literal definition of the word "ground" does not mean a location that supports weight. It just means a surface. Are you stating that it would not go over a wooden floor, or a pit trap, or a stone floor, or a rough cave floor with a little tiny creek running over it, or a plain with heavy grass, or mud, or a stream that has a surface 3 feet below it? None of these are "ground".Sigh.Please do not tell me that I am wrong when that is rarely the case. You told me that several times in this post and it is actually you who were wrong. You must have been tired when posting this.The Mount spell conjures a mount. A horse. The horse will get bogged down in the mire of a swamp, just like a normal horse.Your interpretation of the floating disc will travel along fine in a swamp as long as it does not get blocked by trees or something large. With Mount, the horse will get bogged down in a swamp, it  will spew mud over the caster with its hooves, 2 foot tall gnarly bushes will slow up its movement, it will shy away from a large snake (assuming you do not take the words "serves willingly" to mean "serves unthinkingly"), etc.Compared to Mount, your interpretation of the floating disc IS semi-convenient.Well, best I can tell, we are stuck with English words as they are currently defined.Because the spell does not say it does.There is a swimming skill for movement underwater. You want something more, the spell had better state it.</blockquote>

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