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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 527424" data-attributes="member: 284">Re: Re: Re: Question about Turning and CommandingThe cleric must first make a turning check to see the highest HD he can effect.&nbsp; (PHB, page 139-140).&nbsp; A cleric can turn/rebuke up to 4HD above his cleric level if he rolls well. A 1st level cleric can affect a 5HD undead at most.&nbsp;&nbsp; A 13th level Lich counts as a 17 HD undead (Turn Resistance +4), so it would take a 13th level cleric rolling really well on the turn check to affect it.&nbsp;&nbsp; The damage roll just tells him the number of HD he can effect, up to the maximum HD determined by the first turning check.&nbsp;&nbsp; (I.e.&nbsp; Your turning check tells you that you can effect up to 9 HD undead.&nbsp;&nbsp; You roll 21 on your Turning Damage, so you can turn two 9 HD undead and one 3 HD undead.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or you can turn multiple 3 HD undead, up to 21 HD total.&nbsp; If there were any 10 HD undead, they would be completely unaffected, even though you had rolled 21 HD worth of damage.)The limit on commanding undead is probably in reference to undead created by the cleric himself, via the Create Undead spells, which allow you to command the undead you create with a simple turn/rebuke check.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 527424, member: 284"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Question about Turning and Commanding[/b] The cleric must first make a turning check to see the highest HD he can effect. (PHB, page 139-140). A cleric can turn/rebuke up to 4HD above his cleric level if he rolls well. A 1st level cleric can affect a 5HD undead at most. A 13th level Lich counts as a 17 HD undead (Turn Resistance +4), so it would take a 13th level cleric rolling really well on the turn check to affect it. The damage roll just tells him the number of HD he can effect, up to the maximum HD determined by the first turning check. (I.e. Your turning check tells you that you can effect up to 9 HD undead. You roll 21 on your Turning Damage, so you can turn two 9 HD undead and one 3 HD undead. Or you can turn multiple 3 HD undead, up to 21 HD total. If there were any 10 HD undead, they would be completely unaffected, even though you had rolled 21 HD worth of damage.) The limit on commanding undead is probably in reference to undead created by the cleric himself, via the [i]Create Undead[/i] spells, which allow you to command the undead you create with a simple turn/rebuke check. [/QUOTE]

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