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<blockquote data-quote="candidus_cogitens" data-source="post: 532854" data-attributes="member: 770">Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Turning and Commanding(I take it, this was what you were referring back to.)This is a helpful suggestion, but it does not solve the problem.&nbsp; For one thing, the creatures that Create Undead or even Create Greater Undead allow you to create are still much lower than your caster level.&nbsp; But even more telling is the fact that those spell's descriptions refer you back to the rules for turning and commanding, since creatures you create are not automatically under your command.&nbsp; In Create Undead, it even says it might be a good idea to create weaker creatures than what you would could potentially create so that you could be more assured of successfully commanding them. So, clearly the creatures you create are treated in exactly the same way as other creatures.&nbsp; Nowhere in either section of the rules does it say anything differently.&nbsp; The only exception is based on the condition that you are only commanding a SINGLE as opposed to SEVERAL creatures--and it is that exception that I can find no clarification for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="candidus_cogitens, post: 532854, member: 770"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Turning and Commanding[/b] (I take it, this was what you were referring back to.) This is a helpful suggestion, but it does not solve the problem. For one thing, the creatures that Create Undead or even Create Greater Undead allow you to create are still much lower than your caster level. But even more telling is the fact that those spell's descriptions refer you back to the rules for turning and commanding, since creatures you create are not automatically under your command. In Create Undead, it even says it might be a good idea to create weaker creatures than what you would could potentially create so that you could be more assured of successfully commanding them. So, clearly the creatures you create are treated in exactly the same way as other creatures. Nowhere in either section of the rules does it say anything differently. The only exception is based on the condition that you are only commanding a SINGLE as opposed to SEVERAL creatures--and it is that exception that I can find no clarification for. [/QUOTE]

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