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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 1748378" data-attributes="member: 16285">Let's see the armor check penatlies for medium armors are in the range of -6 or -7 so it is still better than a medium armor in that regard.If a character has to make an attack roll, what is he doing without the heavy armor proficiency in the first place?  If it is becasue he is forced (not being a front line combatent) then this only makes sense.I thought that they were always masterwork quality, but didn't find that phrase on first look.Regardless it is still better than wearing a normal medium armor without the appropriate armor proficiency.</blockquote>