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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 1748583" data-attributes="member: 5122">I agree with the folks that say that even though an armor &quot;counts as&quot; lighter armor, you still need the original proficiency to use it without penalty.&nbsp; In my view, proficiency with armor includes knowing when and how the armor you're wearing can be expected to turn or deflect blows, as opposed to when and how you need to take more active measures.&nbsp; I also think that in order to view armor proficiencies as being anywhere close to &quot;worth a feat,&quot; the proficiency needs as much utility as possible, and that means retaining some penalties for not having it.In support of the opposite argument, however, there are many WotC-published examples of armor that clearly take the opposite view.&nbsp; The latest that I read was in Underdark, where it was clearly stated that one of the specific armors was always treated as light armor, and indicated that meant it could be worn without penalty by someone with just the Light Armor proficiency.&nbsp; There have been several other examples that I can't specifically point to.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 1748583, member: 5122"] I agree with the folks that say that even though an armor "counts as" lighter armor, you still need the original proficiency to use it without penalty. In my view, proficiency with armor includes knowing when and how the armor you're wearing can be expected to turn or deflect blows, as opposed to when and how you need to take more active measures. I also think that in order to view armor proficiencies as being anywhere [i]close[/i] to "worth a feat," the proficiency needs as much utility as possible, and that means retaining some penalties for not having it. In support of the opposite argument, however, there are many WotC-published examples of armor that clearly take the opposite view. The latest that I read was in [i]Underdark[/i], where it was clearly stated that one of the specific armors was always treated as light armor, and indicated that meant it could be worn without penalty by someone with just the Light Armor proficiency. There have been several other examples that I can't specifically point to. [/QUOTE]

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