Question: Disruption and Undead

[Kugar]

Hi all,
The Disruption special ability requires an undead to make a fortitude save DC 14 or be destroyed. Under undead in the monster manual it says that the undead always make the save. What am I not reading right here? How does this work in game?

Thanks in advance

 

[hong]

Undead, not having Con scores, are immune to effects requiring Fort saves UNLESS the effect is one that specifically works on them. Disruption is one example (the disintegrate spell is another).

 

[Kugar]

Thanks Hong, I kinda figured that.
Does that mean that any medium sized undead no matter how powerful has to roll over a 14 (barring magic) on the saving throw or be destroyed. How do you find the modifiers? Do fort save from class levels count? It seems powerful for a +2 modifier if the oldests of liches has the same fail percentage as a skeleton.

The perplexed Kugar (I think my players are up to something)

 

[Geoff Watson]

Undead still have Fort save modifiers listed in their MM entries and stat blocks. Just use that.


Geoff.

 

[durkinator]

Reading the disruption description a while ago I was thinking to myself that it actually seemed pretty powerful since undead mostly have pretty bad Fort saving throws, especially liche's since most of them just have mage lvls. Of course there is magic and other stuff that could be used to counter the disruption I guess. I was just thinking that maybe vs. disruption you could use the undead's turn resistance as a save bonus. Or maybe disruption should only effect certain HD and there needs to be a greater disruption. Don't want your lovely lich dieing in round one because of a terrible save.

 

[Kugar]

Hey! Lookie here - they do have fort saves!
I guess I just assumed no Con = no Fort save. That makes sense, and to think I spent all that time looking up eratta.

Thanks guys - sorry for the Duh! question.