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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5434698" data-attributes="member: 957">So is it fair to conclude that groups which do stick together have nothing to learn on this topic from you or Prof C?  Is it fair to conclude that people have had (or still have) both long term games and online games would be better at providing a valid comparison between the two?It is my understanding that while tabletop groups do in fact have a short average lifespan, online groups have an even shorter average lifespan.Yes, there are online groups that are exceptions.  But you have already established that you don't want to talk about exceptions on the table top side.What you seem to be trying to do is compare the best of the best in online experiences to the average for table top.  If you compare the best of the best table top experiences with the best of the best on line, table top will win.If you compare average table top with average online, table top will win.All your points about table top groups frequently falling apart are valid and well taken.  But you have to look at both side of the equation with the same considerations.</blockquote>