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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5977652" data-attributes="member: 59506">Bingo!Many people are only seeing what they want to see.   No we weren't.  The OP was asking the opinion of those that have seen 5E (as he didn't download or play in the playtest) as to whether they thought 5E could handle the parameters that he discussed.  It was a very concrete and specific question, and completely not about feel.   I get the imression that nothing short of the presence of a complete, unaltered, straight-up 4E mechanic is going to satisfy you. That's both unrealistic and choosing a standard that no game or edition, other than your preferred one(s), can ever possibly achieve. If your mind is so made up, why are you here...?  Why do you continue posts and statements that seem to be attempting nothing but trying to poison the 5E well...?<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />  Absolute Balderdash. If that's all you're seeing, it's because that's all you want to see. They are doing nothing more than what they said they were going to do right from the start:  They are still in the process of designing the base game, based on the common and iconic elements of all D&D...not the common and iconic elements of just 4E or 3E or 1E or BD&D or any one edition.  That is not dialing back from 4E, and saying so is an absolute falsehood.  What they are doing is finding the most common and iconic elements of D&D that ring true throughout all the editions, designing a simple base game from that, and then expanding back up from there.  However, we have not yet reached the expanding-back-up-from-there phase.  And that eliminates the ability of anyone to factually say things like "5E is dialing back from 4E". If you don't see what they are doing for what it really is, fine.  But I'd ask that when gamers come along here that haven't played the playtest, and are looking for information, that you provide them objective, unbiased, and factual information...rather than simply your opinion couched as fact.  Especially as it seems to be opinion intended to try and poison the well (as I have yet to see any constructive contribution on your part to making 5E a game that you do want, rather than just bashing it for what it doesn't have and continuing to express you have no hope that it will ever be what you want...) That doesn't mean you're not allowed to express your opinion.  But when doing so, say that they are only your opinions. It's quite easy to drop in an "IMO", "I think...", or "I feel..."...and such qualifiers can make all the difference in the world. In the end though, one can only either be an optimistic and constructive part of influencing 5E, a mere spectator, or attempt to negatively influence it's direction and the opinions of others.  There are no other possibilities, that's the entire spectrum of interest possible in 5E.  I'd certainly hope that your choice would be the first option, but you have the right to choose whichever you want.  I'd only ask that if your choice is and continues to be the last one, that you didn't post here in this forum (New Horizons).  This forum is for those that do want to be a part of 5E, and want to be a part of influencing it to be the best game/edition it can be.  It's not intended for those that have no hope in the game, are unwilling to be a constructive part of making it a game they want, and it most certainly is not for bashing 5E or posting in a manner to turn others off from it. Of course though, it's 100% your choice, and also your right to post here in this forum regardless of what I've asked.  I'm only making a request, not delivering an ultimatum.  But, I won't stand by and idly watch someone try to negatively influence people towards 5E, and will continue to refute every innacurate and negatively biased statement I read here...with real facts.</blockquote>

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