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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5055695" data-attributes="member: 71571">Of course they fail, that's the entire point.  Simultaneous effects don't work.  And there is zero, none, not a word of language to indicate that effects of powers are generally simultaneous, and language that DOES indicate that effects are applied in sequential order.Son, the PHB2 tells you that you do so.  I don't need any more proof than that.  Saying that 'step 5 is resolving hits and misses' is not saying that they are resolved simultaneously, only that they are resolved after step 4 and before step 6.And if they are not simultaneous, then triggered effects occur immediately upon trigger.  As -all- triggered effects do.On this, I agree, and that trigger condition is met twice during that power's resolution.  Once, when the target is pushed, and once when the target is proned.  (if, of course, the target is actually pushed or proned... preventing these effects prevent the damage of course.) Perhaps, but we're talking about a path feature interracting with its own power here.  And we're only talking about 2XCon damage, not something massively crazy.And it's on a daily.Let's not blow this out of proportion here.  And some effects DO apply more than once to the same action.  The Star Warlock's boon, for instance.  The only time they don't is when the ability itself tells you this.CS doesn't deal in errata.  And Blood Pulse -was- crazy and needed to be errata'd to the 'once per round' restriction.  However, the Iron Vanguard is not...And saying 'triggered abilities are once per round' is flat out a house rule.  There's no text that indicates this, or even hints at it.Let's say you have a power that pushes enemies in a burst 1 around you.  Do you only apply the damage to one enemy, or to each enemy pushed?Indeed.  But RAW, it's triggered each time, and immediately when the event occurs, unless the ability states otherwise.</blockquote>

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