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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1675132" data-attributes="member: 6875"><p>Guys, the thing is - there's no <strong>explicit</strong> statement <em>either way</em>.</p><p></p><p>No, Spontaneous Healer doesn't have a line that says "this ability can be used despite the restrictions in Arcane Disciple" - but then,how many feats <strong>DO</strong> reference limitations in <em>other</em> feats, that way?</p><p></p><p>None, that I can think of right now.</p><p></p><p>But, let's really look at the sentence in question, shall we? It says:</p><p>[bq] Each day, you may prepare (or cast, if you cast spells withoutpreparation) a maximum of one of these domains spells of each level.[/bq]</p><p></p><p>So. What is this actually saying to us ... ?</p><p></p><p><strong>One,</strong> if you prepare spells each day, you may only <em>prepare</em> one spell of each spell level, per day, from the domain(s) you have gained access to.</p><p></p><p><strong>Two,</strong> if you cast spells without preparation, you may only <em>cast</em> one spell of each spell level, per day, from the domain(s) you have gained access to.</p><p></p><p>That's all well and fine - using Arcane Disciple, you may only cast/prepare <strong>one</strong> spell of each spell level form the domain selected. No problems there, right?</p><p></p><p>Now, enter Spontaneous Healer. As a <em>seperate</em> ability, you can <em>exchange</em> a prepared spell in order to spontaneous <em>cure wounds</em> spell, a number of times per day equal to your Wisdom modifier - regardless of spell level.</p><p></p><p>Well; absent an <strong>explicit</strong> statement to the contrary, we should look at the impact of allowing full interaction between these two feats <strong>in terms of game balance</strong>.</p><p></p><p>So. In the event that a Wizard has a wisdom of, say, 14 or 16, and both the Arcane Disciple and Spontaneous Healer feats ... is it <strong>really</strong> that unbalanced to allow her to convert prepared spells into 2 or 3 additional cure spells per day?</p><p></p><p>If our wizard is 17th+ level, the'yre getting <strong>nine</strong> curative spells per day. Is three more <strong>that</strong> big a deal? Really?</p><p></p><p>I just don't think so; I don't see the problem with permittingit, and IMO, it's a very creative, party-supportive use of <strong>two</strong> feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pax, post: 1675132, member: 6875"] Guys, the thing is - there's no [b]explicit[/b] statement [i]either way[/i]. No, Spontaneous Healer doesn't have a line that says "this ability can be used despite the restrictions in Arcane Disciple" - but then,how many feats [b]DO[/b] reference limitations in [i]other[/i] feats, that way? None, that I can think of right now. But, let's really look at the sentence in question, shall we? It says: [bq] Each day, you may prepare (or cast, if you cast spells withoutpreparation) a maximum of one of these domains spells of each level.[/bq] So. What is this actually saying to us ... ? [b]One,[/b] if you prepare spells each day, you may only [i]prepare[/i] one spell of each spell level, per day, from the domain(s) you have gained access to. [b]Two,[/b] if you cast spells without preparation, you may only [i]cast[/i] one spell of each spell level, per day, from the domain(s) you have gained access to. That's all well and fine - using Arcane Disciple, you may only cast/prepare [b]one[/b] spell of each spell level form the domain selected. No problems there, right? Now, enter Spontaneous Healer. As a [i]seperate[/i] ability, you can [i]exchange[/i] a prepared spell in order to spontaneous [i]cure wounds[/i] spell, a number of times per day equal to your Wisdom modifier - regardless of spell level. Well; absent an [b]explicit[/b] statement to the contrary, we should look at the impact of allowing full interaction between these two feats [b]in terms of game balance[/b]. So. In the event that a Wizard has a wisdom of, say, 14 or 16, and both the Arcane Disciple and Spontaneous Healer feats ... is it [b]really[/b] that unbalanced to allow her to convert prepared spells into 2 or 3 additional cure spells per day? If our wizard is 17th+ level, the'yre getting [b]nine[/b] curative spells per day. Is three more [b]that[/b] big a deal? Really? I just don't think so; I don't see the problem with permittingit, and IMO, it's a very creative, party-supportive use of [b]two[/b] feats. [/QUOTE]
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