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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1680731" data-attributes="member: 6875">And the crux of my counter to your argument is, "there's no explicit statement in either direction".  Neither feat names the other, and there's no official guide as to whichof them should take precedence over the other.  Which is when pure examinations of balance comes into it.  And that's well and fine - as far as it goes.  And you have neglected to observe that the ability to cast extra curative spells costs another feat.  Also, as I said, if healing is worth enough to you to take TWO feats, and you're a wizard with a Wisdom of 16+, you're much more likely to take levels of Cleric and Mystic Theurge.  IMO, a competent min/max'er would do precisely that, in fact.  I disagree - remember, i said "WIS 12 to 15, Spontaneous Healer; WIS 16+, theurge)"; that means one less spontaneous casting of a cure[/u] spell per day.  Given the Healing Domain, and a 16 Wisdom, the Theurge-varian could conceivably cast:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 4; 2+d+0) 3x cure critical wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 3; 3+d+1) 5x cure serious wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 2; 3+d+1) 5x cure moderate wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 1; 4+d+1) 6x cure light wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 0; 5) 5x cure minor wounds per day.</li> </ul>  ... which is 45.5 spell levels of healing (counting Cure Minor as half a spell level, same as when pricing magic items).  Compared to that, the (e.g.) 15 wisdom, 18 intelligence AD/SH nonspecialist Wizard could cast: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 6; 1 out of 1+0) 1x heal per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 5; 1 out of 2+0) 1x mass cure light wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 4; 1 out of 3+1) 1x cure critical wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 3; 1 out of 3+1) 1x cure serious wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 2; 1 out of 4+1) 1x cure moderate wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Level 1; 1 out of 4+1) 1x cure light wounds per day;</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (Spontaneously, 2 per day) 1x mass cure light wounds and 1x cure critical wounds.</li> </ul>  That's 30 spell-levels of healing, and keep in mind that it costs him two feats to be able to do this.  And even given the same wisdom of 16, that's one extra cure critical wounds per day.  Assuming he uses that entire quota of healing in a day, he's left with (as a wizard): <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 6) 0 spells</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 5) 0 spells</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 4) 1 spell</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 3) 1 spells</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 2) 2 spells</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 1) 2 spells</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 0) 4 spells</li> </ul>... Whereas our Theruge, after using his healing capacities to the maximum, would have: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 4) 3 spells (2 more than the straight wizard)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 3) 4 spells (3 more than the straight wizard)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 2) 4 spells (2 more than the straight wizard)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 1) 5 spells (3 more than the straight wizard)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> (level 0) 4 spells (the same number of spells, natch)</li> </ul>  So much for the straight wizard being a better arcane caster AND a comparable healer, eh?  the theurge gets half again as many levels of healing, AND has more than twice as many arcane spells available to him in addition to said healing.  And to top it all off ... all that uses your artifically skewed example levels!  (I mean, really ... giving the straight caster an odd-numbered level, so that the Theurge loses TWO entire spell-levels?  HARDLY a fair measure of overall balance!)Until and unless youlook at it appropriately.  Sheesh.</blockquote>

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