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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Liquidsabre" data-source="post: 1682044" data-attributes="member: 15635">Alright buddy the kiddie gloves come off...And YOU continually make the assumption that SH removes the limitation set by AD. *shruggs* It's really no concern to me any longer now that others in the thread have already been helped. All of my argument is already up there, if you disagree FINE. Live life, have many babies, and enjoy yourself. But I'm pretty sure more people would agree with my interpretation over YOURS, so  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> Except where the AD feat specifically states where it changes said rule with the TEXT: "Add the chosen domain spells to your class list of arcane spells."Phew, are you trying to miss text laid out right in front of you here on purpose? I don't think anyone who misses things that are right THERE in the text should be able to argue the RAW. Come back only after you have read the text before trying to "argue" or make "points". Trust me, it helps.Correct, feats modifiy what is possible, as stated in their TEXT. But as we've seen, you appear to have problems with this.Actually, I have but as has been proven, you are in FACT bliiiinnnnddd. Glasses perhaps?Which is apparently ALL ya got for an argument. Cute.If THAT's your argument then....YES.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Not with arguments like THAT. lolSorry, I don't try to make arguments more like you do. I use things called "examples" and "text" as evidence and also make use of a handy technique called READING. All you do is shake your head as a counter argument an then go spouting off about balance as a valid method for determining the RAW. There was a relevant example I made previously in an earlier post, oh but I forgot, you probably didn't read and likely have NO idea what I'm referring to. *shrugs* What's the point of posting anything then when trying to have a discussion with ya Pax, honestly.LOL, whatever dude. The practised spellaster feats were taken from YOUR example for the MT, so I'm sorry for trying to STAY consistent and use YOUR example. Notice my calculations are based off of the PS feat, omg were you like born in a barn?Ooookkkaaaayy. Yes, 10th level human wizard has a sum total of: 7 feats! Count them, 7! Thats 2 MORE than the MT gets! So that gives the Wiz a sum total of 2 EXTRA feats! Everyone now! 7-5 = 2! Wasn't that fun?! *clapping hands together like a school girl*Whatever dude, blah blah blah. I used Int 16 and Wis 16 for both stats to make them completely EQUAL. Get over it already.Oh dear! I did didn't I!? Well maybe if you READ my last post I fixed this little booboo didn't I? (The whole having your precious MT at odd levels for their spellcasting and gimping the Wizard at an even leve, or didn't you catch that?) Live in the NOW man!Right, notice how in my LATEST post I reduced the classes in level so we had to only consider the 1st-4th level cure spells! Embrace the present my friend!Blah, blah, blah.Whatever man, take away practised spellcasting, see if I care. It was YOUR idea. Oh and in case you missed it above I didn't MISCALCULATE anything. Just because you CHANGED it by removing practised spellcaster from my example, doesn't make it a miscalculation. No matter how many times you tell yourself that. AHA! I'm now going to ADD the practised spellcaster back now! Pax!!! You miscalcualted woohoo!! Look at all this, its all WRONG! How could you?? Use a calculator or something.Whoops thanks for catching that. Actually he'll have a base of 2 (being 8th level and all). Don't forget I'm also using YOUR method of interpretation for Spontaneous Healer. As a wizard with cure spells on his spell list he can now cast spontaneously any level of cure spells up to 3/day.The corrected calculation for both (removing the practised spellcaster as you suggest, man I'm such a sucker, I keep using YOUR examples in an attempt to have a reasonable discussion, though I usually try not to change them and then call you wrong lol...):MT2 [5/5/4/3] = (5*1) + (5*13) + (4*22) + (3*30) = THC of 248W8-Pax: [0/1/1/1+1 (cast spont once)/2 (cast spont twice)] = (0*0) + (1*13) + (1*24) + (2*32) + (2*40) = THC of 181-or- (with the max 1 cast/prep spell per day at each level)W8: (0/1/1/1/1) = (0*0) + (1*13) + (1*24) + (1*32) + (1*40) = THC of 109The Pax-version of the Wizard still has an equivalent THC that of 73% of the MT. While my version of the wizard (with SH used as I think it should) only has 44% of the total healing capacity of the MT. As I said, a more reasonably balanced interpretation of the Spontaneous Healer feat as the MT gets to retain their ability to be a much better healer than a wizard with the AD-SH combo (as it should be). I'll leave the numbers out there for others to decide if they think this is out of balance or not. I won't go transposing my opinion on the matter as certain others-not-to-be-named-might (pax).Oh my, rudeness substitued as wit, how clever! Note the changes above, nice of you to assume I am bending the rules as opposed to making a mistake by accident. Then again, we have seen that rudeness is apparently part of your argumentative style, lacking text references and such I imagine this is to make up for other legitemate arguments or logical reasoning on your part. Though I have read the latter half of your post and it looks pretty sound, except for the whole conclusion thing.Wow, a theurge has only a 25% advantage. Thats...amazing. Just stunning. *shruggs* Amazingly enough these numbers are remarkably similar to mine. Go figure, guess you gotta do 'em yourself before accepting them eh? What ever winds your clock mate.Which I amended to instead favor the MT in my LATEST post. Oh, I forget, your method of argumentation involves NITPICKING, and taking it wherever it is you can get it. Even if it is a few posts back. Ahh...*nods sagely*Don't know why you would. Proportionally, halving all the numbers won't change anything, but then again, math is hard.Ah, this stuff is looking pretty good. What have we learned today?Duly noted and snubbed sir!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Uh, so you think that the Wiz having 88-76% healing capacity of the MT is a good thing? *whistles* Kay.Oooohhh a good point! *grabs it and hugs it closely, rocking gently* Mmmmm, point.Uuuuhhh, Pax dear? The straight wizard still has (4/4/3/1) left. But that would be a miscalcualtion on your part, aha! And I didn't even have to change anything before I said that.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Ya see Pax ol' buddy. This is good stuff, if you'd just cut out all the nitpicky and winey stuff in the beginning parts, reading your posts wouldn't be so bad...Only if it's an insane little nose running around and attached to gnome, but ok.Yes, can I have some? Whatever it is you're on.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Cheers!*hangs up sign: This thread is closed now* Ba-bye.</blockquote>

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