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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 1682729" data-attributes="member: 6875">[sarcasm] oh, eek. someone save me.  eek.  help.[/sarcasm]  Uh, no.  I've said - repeatedly - it could go either way, and insisted on therefor examining it in light of game balance.  No - just pointing out to you,that if AD can limit SH, then the Wizard Class Spell List can limit AD.  Because the SH feat specifically states that the character is able to spontaneously convert prepared spells to cure wounds spells, a number of times per day equal to the character's wisdom modifier.  No mention is made of any limitations as regards domain slots, domains, the AD feat, etc.  Only the spontaneous conversion to cure wounds is described.  There is nothing in the rules which explicitly ascribes precedence or superiority to either feat's limits and abilities.  And SH states you can spontaneously convert X number of prepared spells to equivalent-level cure spells exactly as a cleric does.  And clerics aren't restricted to doing so once per spell level per day.  Okay, give me the exact book and page number, along with a quote, that says anything even remotely close to "the limitations of Arcane Disciple limit your ability to spontaneously conver spells with the Spontaneous Healer feat".  Because it's all there is to argue about, beyond IMC's and IMO's.  Even in the absolute and utter lack of text which states what you purport to be the rules?  Even when the examples disprove your claims,and prove the claims of those who hold the stance opposite you?  Now, that's comedy.More accurately, "deciding what you want it to say, and then mis-reading it however you need to 'make' it say exactly that".  There is nothing written that says AH's limitations are effective on the abilities of SH - wether or not those limits are in fact so effective is purely a matter of personal opinion - leaving only the balance or imbalance of the combination as a basis for judging wether or not it "should" be permitted - which I have (repeatedly, now) pointed out to you in clear and unmistakable terms.   And I've also, using yourown numbers, shown you that it is NOT, in fact, an unbalanced option to permit to a character who wanted to pick up both feats.  No, there wasn't.  You've never given an example of where the text says Arcane Disciple in any way limits Spontaneous Heler.  Liar.  I was not the person who insisted the MT would take PS twice.  Once, sure, quite probably.  Twice, no, nowhere near as likely.  You brought the Practised Spellcaster into the mix, not me.  And again, I nevr presupposed the cleric "side" of the Theurge would be so boosted, at all.  You did. Leave the gratuitous insults out, I guarantee you I can sling better than pitiful attempts like that.  But thoswe 2 feats are not "take anythign you want", they are "item creation, metamagic, or spell mastery".  Thus they're not worth quite as much as a "pick any featyou qualify for" option would be.  Those who forget the past, are doomed to repeat it.  And it especially rankles when you accuse me of a wrongdoing of some sort, when you had only just a post or two ago done the same thing, to a higher degree.  Deal with it.  How eloquent.  No, it most certainly was not, you insufferable suppurating pustule of imbecility!  For god's sake, man, can't you even remember what you've said?  Irrelevant, he still cannot cast more spells of a given level than he has, wether it'sspontaneous or not!  SH doesn't give you extra spells per day, it lets you exchange existing prepared spells for a spontaneous casting of an equal-level cure spell.  Let's get this straight.  You have TWO fourth-level spells.  A 16 Intelligence is not high enough for a bonus 4th level spell.  Thus, if you prepare and cast one healing spell of 4th level, you no longer have the slots available to spontaneously cast two more.  RTFM, get a clue, etc, etc.  All right, one fireball (or comparable), which is still less than the Theurge's two third-level spells.  The rest of your drivel, frankly, simply isn't worth my time.  It's quite rare that I find myself tempted to report a post; you're owed some congratulations.  I suppose.</blockquote>

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