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Question on a dragon's crush attack - can it do this?
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<blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 4842768" data-attributes="member: 1164"><p>Looking over crush, I'm not so sure it sounds very efficient against a large party. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong>Crush (<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#extraordinaryAbilities" target="_blank">Ex</a>)</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"> This special attack allows a flying or jumping dragon of at least Huge size to land on opponents as a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#standardActions" target="_blank">standard action</a>, using its whole body to crush them. Crush attacks are effective only against opponents three or more size categories smaller than the dragon (though it can attempt normal <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#overrun" target="_blank">overrun</a> or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#grapple" target="_blank">grapple</a> attacks against larger opponents).</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"> A crush attack affects as many creatures as can fit under the dragon’s body. Creatures in the affected area must succeed on a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#reflex" target="_blank">Reflex save</a> (DC equal to that of the dragon’s <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#breathWeapon" target="_blank">breath weapon</a>) or be <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/conditionSummary.htm#pinned" target="_blank">pinned</a>, </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong><em>automatically taking bludgeoning damage during the next round </em></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>Dragon sacrifices a whole round to set this up.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"> <em><strong>unless the dragon moves off them.</strong></em></span></p><p><em>"You may voluntarily release a pinned character as a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#freeActions" target="_blank">free action</a>;"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><span style="font-size: 9px"> <strong><em> If the dragon chooses to maintain the pin, treat it as a normal <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#grapple" target="_blank">grapple</a> attack. </em></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>So to keep the crushing the Dragon must devote BAB based grapple attacks to pinning foes because of the 3.5 changes to pinning. Also this means it can only maintain the pin on 4 foes, again due to how pinning has to be refreshed each round<span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><strong><em>Pinned opponents take damage from the crush each round if they don’t escape. </em></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>this got hella-nerfed by the 3.5 rule change to pin.<span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="frankthedm, post: 4842768, member: 1164"] Looking over crush, I'm not so sure it sounds very efficient against a large party. [SIZE=1][B]Crush ([URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#extraordinaryAbilities"]Ex[/URL])[/B] This special attack allows a flying or jumping dragon of at least Huge size to land on opponents as a [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#standardActions"]standard action[/URL], using its whole body to crush them. Crush attacks are effective only against opponents three or more size categories smaller than the dragon (though it can attempt normal [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#overrun"]overrun[/URL] or [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#grapple"]grapple[/URL] attacks against larger opponents). A crush attack affects as many creatures as can fit under the dragon’s body. Creatures in the affected area must succeed on a [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatStatistics.htm#reflex"]Reflex save[/URL] (DC equal to that of the dragon’s [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#breathWeapon"]breath weapon[/URL]) or be [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/conditionSummary.htm#pinned"]pinned[/URL], [B][I]automatically taking bludgeoning damage during the next round [/I][/B] [/SIZE]Dragon sacrifices a whole round to set this up. [SIZE=1] [I][B]unless the dragon moves off them.[/B][/I][/SIZE] [I]"You may voluntarily release a pinned character as a [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#freeActions"]free action[/URL];" [/I][SIZE=1] [B][I] If the dragon chooses to maintain the pin, treat it as a normal [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#grapple"]grapple[/URL] attack. [/I][/B] [/SIZE]So to keep the crushing the Dragon must devote BAB based grapple attacks to pinning foes because of the 3.5 changes to pinning. Also this means it can only maintain the pin on 4 foes, again due to how pinning has to be refreshed each round[SIZE=1] [B][I]Pinned opponents take damage from the crush each round if they don’t escape. [/I][/B] [/SIZE]this got hella-nerfed by the 3.5 rule change to pin.[SIZE=1] [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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