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<blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 4843155" data-attributes="member: 10784">Except for a few weeks at the beginning of 3E in late 2000, I did not play 3.0 due to a job that required an extreme amount of hours.&nbsp; What was the 3.0 rule on pinning?&nbsp; But, if it cannot use its other attacks (breath weapon or bite, claw, tail) while sitting on its foes, the dragon obviously would not do that against a party of 7 PCs and 3 NPCs.&nbsp; I don't think it could get all 4 with a single crush attack, so it could get 2-3 maybe and crush them, but then would take melee/spell damage from the other 7-8.&nbsp; I'm not worried about losing threatened squares because the dragon has a Dex of 10 and can only make 1 attack of opportunity, and against 7-8 foes, it's not a huge loss.However, when we played before, we said that when the player's druidic ally had summoned a girallon to help them, the girallon could make 4 grapple attempts because it had 4 arms and 4 attacks.&nbsp; Is the dragon using its body for its crush attack grapple, and then can use its other attacks (bite, 2 claws, 2 wings &amp; tail slap) for other melee attacks?&nbsp; Or, did we play the girallon incorrectly before?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NewJeffCT, post: 4843155, member: 10784"] Except for a few weeks at the beginning of 3E in late 2000, I did not play 3.0 due to a job that required an extreme amount of hours. What was the 3.0 rule on pinning? But, if it cannot use its other attacks (breath weapon or bite, claw, tail) while sitting on its foes, the dragon obviously would not do that against a party of 7 PCs and 3 NPCs. I don't think it could get all 4 with a single crush attack, so it could get 2-3 maybe and crush them, but then would take melee/spell damage from the other 7-8. I'm not worried about losing threatened squares because the dragon has a Dex of 10 and can only make 1 attack of opportunity, and against 7-8 foes, it's not a huge loss. However, when we played before, we said that when the player's druidic ally had summoned a girallon to help them, the girallon could make 4 grapple attempts because it had 4 arms and 4 attacks. Is the dragon using its body for its crush attack grapple, and then can use its other attacks (bite, 2 claws, 2 wings & tail slap) for other melee attacks? Or, did we play the girallon incorrectly before? [/QUOTE]

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