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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 4843612" data-attributes="member: 10784">Ah, but if you look in the Draconomicon, it says the following: 5) On the dragon’s next turn, it can choose to maintain the pin or to release pinned characters. If it tries to maintain the pin, it makes a single grapple check opposed by grapple checks made by all pinned opponents. Creatures who beat the dragon’s grapple check take no damage, while other creatures take the dragon’s full crush damage. If the dragon decides not to maintain the pin, it can act normally, without regard to the creatures that share its space (since they are necessarily at least three sizes smaller than it is). It is not clear if it can do more than just maintaining a pin from the text.  However, you indicate that it would have to make a grab check at -20 in order to do a full attack? However, you also state that maintaining the pin is not an option, but according to the Draconomicon, it is.Also, can anybody weigh in about the opposed grapple check.  Does the dragon's +58 go against the 2-3 crushed opponents - say, one is a +15, one is a +10 and one is a +18?  Do, I add up the 3 opponents into a +43?  (meaning, the PC's have a slight chance of winning)  Or, do I use the dragon's d20+58 against each individual and the PCs have no chance at all?</blockquote>