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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5686069" data-attributes="member: 92305">CLIMB & FATIGUE In the sober reality of the next day, I've come up with an answer about the Climb question above. If a normal climb were considered against the fatigue timer, then long climbs would never be accomplished. Even those with super-hero CON scores couldn't last more than 2-4 minutes. And, since we know that some of the largest mountains in the world have been scaled--and that it's possible to climb for longer than 2-4 minutes without be fatigued--that a normal climb can't be subject to the CON fatigue counter. Now, if we're talking about accelerated climb actions, when the character moves twice as fast, taking a -5 on his climb skill, I could see an argument that a number of these types of moves in a row could be considered subject to the fatigue counter.     JAVELIN, QUIVER, AND CLIMBING As for the javelin on the back, in a quiver, I'm still inclined to not penalize the climber. The players are looking for any excuse to slow this bad guy down--the one that they are chasing. But, I have to look at the rules from two angles. I always try to ask myself, before I make a rule, "Would I do the same thing to a PC if the PC were the one being chased?" I don't think I'd penalize a PC for having a javeling in a quiver strapped to his back while climbing under these circumstances. If the javelin were quite long, I would. But a normal javelin, 3-5' long, I don't think so. I could see an argument for a -2 penalty on the Climb check, though.     IF MAX MOVE IS 2X SPEED, IS THAT A HUSTLE OR A RUN? As for the other part of the question (movement), I guess that's still up in the air. Moving 2x Speed is a Hustle, but is it still a Hustle is that's as fast as one can run due to terrain? So...is is still considered a Hustle? Or, is it considered 4x speed--a full-out Run--that is reduced by terrain factors. The player's argument is since the characters could run no faster than 2x Speed due to the terrain that it should be considered a Run (not a Hustle). The other side of that argument is that 2x Speed = Hustle, and that's it. I don't know where I stand on this issue yet.     EDIT: On the Movement Issue, I saw a pretty good response on another forum. The other poster said: The test to see if they characters were considered running full-out was if they were running in a straight line or zig-zagging around, dodging rocks, skiping over rabbit holes, and stuff like that. If the former, the straight-line movement would mean a Run (reduced to 2x Move for terrain) and be subject to the fatigue counter. If the latter, with the non-straight line movment, then the move should be considered a Hustle. I think this makes some sense.</blockquote>

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