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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Particle_Man" data-source="post: 3441962" data-attributes="member: 892">Oh, and you do not need ANY ranks of the associated skills in order to take maneuvers in a discipline.  There are some feats that make you use the appropriate skill rolls, but that is about it.Diamond Mind has maneuvers that require Concentration checks, and the Tiger one requires some Jump checks for some maneuvers, and Desert Storm has a sweet first level stance that is based on ranks in Balance.  But none of that is Crusader stuff.I think you can get by on White Raven, Stone Dragon and Devoted Spirit without any ranks in Diplomacy, Intimidate, or whatever Stone Dragon uses.  The only exception I can think of is that Stone Dragon maneuvers and stances don't work if you are not on the ground, so it might be a good idea to put ranks in Balance to avoid falling into the pool of lava, etc.</blockquote>