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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1328759" data-attributes="member: 8439">I've wondered about this myself... in some ways, the two statements "effectively disgiused" and "gains a +10 bonus on disguise checks" are contridictory. assuming for the moment a 0 cha druid, who is taking ten on such a check, the bonus gives him a total of 20 - which a character of the same level (5th minimum) with full ranks in spot and a decent wisdom will likely see through half the time... Not that effective, if they mean that the +10 is to a check to disguise yourself as an animal...As such, I would assume the second. If the druid decides to use wildshape to replace the enemy general's warhorse in the stable, thus giving him a massive surprise on the battlefield, she uses any cha mod and disguise ranks she has, the plus ten bonus and hopefully kidnaps the horse and takes several minutes to examine it and take 20. If the druid is just disguised as some general horse, she is "effectively disguised" and the DM is free to consider everyone fooled unless they are specificly looking for the ruse (or possibly if they have a lot of ranks in handle animal or they are riding the "horse")thats just my take on it though - I recall the disguise rules being a bit flaky on the difference in difficulty between "looking like someone else (the king)" and "looking like someone else (anyone not me)" in the first place.kahuna Burger</blockquote>