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<blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 1117561" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>You're quite right, the Shrink Item spell as written is a solid and quite useful spell merely as a way to transport cargo and treasure. But that doesn't skip the need to figure out what happens when something is unshrunk. If players abuse this aspect of the spell and get subsequently hammered by the DM, well they brought it on themselves so I'd have no sympathy nor, if I were the abusing player, would I complain. (Besides I can think of ways to get around the Dispel and AM hammers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</p><p></p><p>So we're still left with legitimate non-abusive reasons for figuring out what happens when this spell ends. Let's take the 400 lbs of gold mentioned. Say you're carrying it in a type 1 Bag of Holding, which only has a 250 weight limit. What happens if it's still in the bag when the spell duration runs out? Does the bag rupture? Or does gold start pouring out of it? (Probably the bag ruptures and all the contents are lost. Ok, not such a good example.) How about if it's just in your back pack? Ruptured backpack or gold coin fountain?</p><p></p><p>Here's another perfectly legitimate situation where knowing how this worked was important. Our party was going into the desert for an adventure. Our cleric didn't have access to the Create Water spell. (This was back in 2E, his god didn't have that domain.) To carry lots of water we used (Shrink) Item to change several gallons of water to cloth form. We had a waterproof bag big enough to hold the water of any individual clothform when undone. A clever way to solve our water problem, right? The DM thought so too but, evil SOB that he was, he hit us with a Dispel Magic first chance he got. We had always played it as "instant un-Shrinking", so the bone scrollcase our water supply was in exploded and everyone in the area of effect took some minor damage from shrapnel. Was that an unfair interpretation of the spell? We didn't think so- of course that's cause we later drove him crazy thinking of ever more creative abuses for that effect. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> But still, abuse issues aside, it <em>is</em> something that needs to be clarified, for the same reason Enlarge/Reduce was clarified.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FoxWander, post: 1117561, member: 1356"] You're quite right, the Shrink Item spell as written is a solid and quite useful spell merely as a way to transport cargo and treasure. But that doesn't skip the need to figure out what happens when something is unshrunk. If players abuse this aspect of the spell and get subsequently hammered by the DM, well they brought it on themselves so I'd have no sympathy nor, if I were the abusing player, would I complain. (Besides I can think of ways to get around the Dispel and AM hammers. ;) ) So we're still left with legitimate non-abusive reasons for figuring out what happens when this spell ends. Let's take the 400 lbs of gold mentioned. Say you're carrying it in a type 1 Bag of Holding, which only has a 250 weight limit. What happens if it's still in the bag when the spell duration runs out? Does the bag rupture? Or does gold start pouring out of it? (Probably the bag ruptures and all the contents are lost. Ok, not such a good example.) How about if it's just in your back pack? Ruptured backpack or gold coin fountain? Here's another perfectly legitimate situation where knowing how this worked was important. Our party was going into the desert for an adventure. Our cleric didn't have access to the Create Water spell. (This was back in 2E, his god didn't have that domain.) To carry lots of water we used (Shrink) Item to change several gallons of water to cloth form. We had a waterproof bag big enough to hold the water of any individual clothform when undone. A clever way to solve our water problem, right? The DM thought so too but, evil SOB that he was, he hit us with a Dispel Magic first chance he got. We had always played it as "instant un-Shrinking", so the bone scrollcase our water supply was in exploded and everyone in the area of effect took some minor damage from shrapnel. Was that an unfair interpretation of the spell? We didn't think so- of course that's cause we later drove him crazy thinking of ever more creative abuses for that effect. :D But still, abuse issues aside, it [i]is[/i] something that needs to be clarified, for the same reason Enlarge/Reduce was clarified. [/QUOTE]
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