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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1868251" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>I daresay the total lack of any rules for it's offensive use is a big hint.</p><p></p><p>Are you really this stupid, or are you pretending? What you just said was:</p><p>"I can use this spell to move an item around. That doesn't jive with your theory of moving items around".</p><p></p><p>You used the spell to move a heavy item into the air. What you subsequently did was make use of a heavy item that you'd transported into the air.</p><p></p><p>If, on the other hand, you throw the shrunken boulder at an enemy and dismiss the spell on route, you're directly using the spell in an offensive way. Unsurprisingly, there are NO RULES FOR THIS. It seems strange that the author would have intended this use, yet put no rules in place to handle it.</p><p></p><p>No you wouldn't. Lets go through them slowly and in order so you can understand.</p><p></p><p>1. Shrunken items, regardless of whether they are in felt or normal form are in a type of stasis. Attempts to damage, break apart or use such an item return the item to full size instead.</p><p></p><p>If the guy chews, they return to full size.</p><p></p><p>2. Shrunken items return to normal size within the standard action that it takes to activate them (either by throwing them on the ground or calling out a command word). Note that this probably translates to about 3 seconds, and therefore such an expansion is not likely to be describable as "explosive".</p><p></p><p>This one doesn't do much, admittedly.</p><p></p><p>3. Shrunken items returning to normal size in a space not large enough for them to do so without forcing an object or creature to distend are destroyed utterly. Alternately you could have them bumped into an alternate dimension or something.</p><p></p><p>The caltrops are destroyed utterly. Simple.</p><p></p><p>4. If you're throwing (including accurately dropping) something, that's a standard action. Using a command word to return something to full size is a standard action. You cannot do both at once.</p><p></p><p>Not much of an effect here.</p><p></p><p>5. Only the nominal 'owner' of an item (typically the last guy to touch it) can activate it via a command word.</p><p></p><p>The last guy to touch them was the guy eating them. So no command word explosivity.</p><p></p><p>So the effect with my 5 rules?</p><p>1. The caltrops start growing in the guy's mouth, when he bites down on them</p><p>2. They grow slowly and cause no damage</p><p>3. They are destroyed at the point where they would cause damage</p><p>4. Even if he swallows some, you need to dispel the magic to get them to grow</p><p>5. Even if you do - they are destroyed at the point where they would cause damage.</p><p></p><p>Simple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 1868251, member: 5890"] I daresay the total lack of any rules for it's offensive use is a big hint. Are you really this stupid, or are you pretending? What you just said was: "I can use this spell to move an item around. That doesn't jive with your theory of moving items around". You used the spell to move a heavy item into the air. What you subsequently did was make use of a heavy item that you'd transported into the air. If, on the other hand, you throw the shrunken boulder at an enemy and dismiss the spell on route, you're directly using the spell in an offensive way. Unsurprisingly, there are NO RULES FOR THIS. It seems strange that the author would have intended this use, yet put no rules in place to handle it. No you wouldn't. Lets go through them slowly and in order so you can understand. 1. Shrunken items, regardless of whether they are in felt or normal form are in a type of stasis. Attempts to damage, break apart or use such an item return the item to full size instead. If the guy chews, they return to full size. 2. Shrunken items return to normal size within the standard action that it takes to activate them (either by throwing them on the ground or calling out a command word). Note that this probably translates to about 3 seconds, and therefore such an expansion is not likely to be describable as "explosive". This one doesn't do much, admittedly. 3. Shrunken items returning to normal size in a space not large enough for them to do so without forcing an object or creature to distend are destroyed utterly. Alternately you could have them bumped into an alternate dimension or something. The caltrops are destroyed utterly. Simple. 4. If you're throwing (including accurately dropping) something, that's a standard action. Using a command word to return something to full size is a standard action. You cannot do both at once. Not much of an effect here. 5. Only the nominal 'owner' of an item (typically the last guy to touch it) can activate it via a command word. The last guy to touch them was the guy eating them. So no command word explosivity. So the effect with my 5 rules? 1. The caltrops start growing in the guy's mouth, when he bites down on them 2. They grow slowly and cause no damage 3. They are destroyed at the point where they would cause damage 4. Even if he swallows some, you need to dispel the magic to get them to grow 5. Even if you do - they are destroyed at the point where they would cause damage. Simple. [/QUOTE]
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