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<blockquote data-quote="Aluvial" data-source="post: 1536827" data-attributes="member: 6862">Interesting...&nbsp; I never thought about the one brick thing...&nbsp; That does limit it there.&nbsp; I find that my player has the tendancy to abuse this spell as much as he can.&nbsp; &nbsp;What do you think constitutes fine detail?&nbsp; &nbsp;I imagine that you couldn't make anything with less than 1&quot; as a demension...&nbsp; That means that at best, any shape that is made is at least 1 x 1 x 1 and no finer...&nbsp; &nbsp;As for the trap, I looked at the Wall of Stone spell which gives a reflex save...&nbsp; so there's that.&nbsp;Back to the wall, or in another case, a bridge.&nbsp; How thick does a piece of stone have to be to support the average PC (say 150 to 300 lbs.)?&nbsp; &nbsp;I know it is based on its compression and its tensile strength, but I wouldn't know how to make the calculation, especially when dealing with spans...&nbsp;The Wall of Stone spell says anything over 20' must be butressed.&nbsp; &nbsp;I do know that one cubic foot of stone (granite) weighs 165 lbs.!!!&nbsp;That alone is going to disuade a PC from carrying around his own supply of stone (like my guy wants too)...&nbsp; sounds like he is going to find water soon.&nbsp;Aluvial</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aluvial, post: 1536827, member: 6862"] Interesting... I never thought about the one brick thing... That does limit it there. I find that my player has the tendancy to abuse this spell as much as he can. What do you think constitutes fine detail? I imagine that you couldn't make anything with less than 1" as a demension... That means that at best, any shape that is made is at least 1 x 1 x 1 and no finer... As for the trap, I looked at the Wall of Stone spell which gives a reflex save... so there's that. Back to the wall, or in another case, a bridge. How thick does a piece of stone have to be to support the average PC (say 150 to 300 lbs.)? I know it is based on its compression and its tensile strength, but I wouldn't know how to make the calculation, especially when dealing with spans... The Wall of Stone spell says anything over 20' must be butressed. I do know that one cubic foot of stone (granite) weighs 165 lbs.!!! That alone is going to disuade a PC from carrying around his own supply of stone (like my guy wants too)... sounds like he is going to find water soon. Aluvial [/QUOTE]

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