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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tabrumj" data-source="post: 326523" data-attributes="member: 3632">I would guess Tiefling is making them villanous because he has read the history of the times. The Templars were far from an organnization of heroes. Off the top of my head I know they were innvolved in the slave trade and there are several incidents where they converted a village of heathens by raping, massacuring and looting while selling the survivors into slavery. Addmitedly the organization was never entirely bad but it's policues as a whole tended to be.The Catholic church was a much more grey organization. On the lower end the everyday priests tended to be good and holy men. But when you reached the upper ranks the Clergy tended to be power hungry and more than a bit amoral. Much of the upper Clergy did not ascend through the ranks, instead the purchased their position with hard cash. AMong other things  the Catholic church operated brothels, bilked pesants, started wars and organized massacers of anyone who disagreed with them. Certainly neither organization is wholly villanous, but a reasonable look at the timesin a game should definetly paint the organization's in shades of grey.</blockquote>