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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1311073" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>From the 3E Main FAQ:</p><p></p><p><strong>If you use the true strike spell and you get a threat, does</strong></p><p><strong>the +20 bonus from the apply to the critical confirmation</strong></p><p><strong>roll? Would the +20 bonus apply to the extra attacks you</strong></p><p><strong>get from the Cleave, Great Cleave, or Whirlwind attack</strong></p><p><strong>feats?</strong></p><p><em>When you roll to confirm a critical, you use whatever</em></p><p><em>bonuses applied to the attack roll that made the threat, no</em></p><p><em>matter where those bonuses came from.</em></p><p><em>True strike affects only one attack. (Rolling to confirm a</em></p><p><em>critical is not a separate attack for this purpose.) If you make</em></p><p><em>multiple attacks in a round, your bonus from true strike applies</em></p><p><em>only to the first attack you make, no matter how you managed</em></p><p><em>to get multiple attacks.</em></p><p></p><p>In the Cleave feat, the phrase "at the same bonus" distinguishes it from other feats which grant an extra attack "at your highest base attack bonus".</p><p></p><p>If you have a BAB of +6/+1, and you drop an opponent with your first attack, then the Cleave is calculated using the +6 and any applicable modifiers. If you drop an opponent with your <em>second</em> attack, then the Cleave is calculated using the +1 and any applicable modifiers.</p><p></p><p>Since <em>True Strike</em> discharges on your first attack, it is not an applicable modifier to the Cleave attack.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, if I am Paladin making a mounted charge and Smiting Evil at a hobgoblin with my Goblinbane sword, then I have:</p><p></p><p>+6: BAB</p><p>+2: Strength bonus</p><p>+2: Charging</p><p>+4: Smite Evil</p><p>+1: Enhancement bonus</p><p>+2: Bane bonus</p><p>+1: Higher Ground bonus</p><p></p><p>Total: +18.</p><p></p><p>I hit easily, of course, drop the hobgoblin, and Cleave into his Dire Wolf companion.</p><p></p><p>I'm no longer charging. The wolf isn't evil, nor is it a goblinoid. And since it's Large, I don't get the higher ground modifier.</p><p></p><p>So, using the same BAB figure (+6), I add any applicable modifiers - my Strength bonus (+2), and the Enhancement bonus of my sword (+1), for a total attack bonus of +9.</p><p></p><p>If I'd gone the other way, charging the wolf and using Smite Evil on the Cleave of the hobgoblin instead, then my bonus would have been +11 on the initial attack, and +16 on the Cleave.</p><p></p><p>The feat text, to remove ambiguity, <em>should</em> say "at the same base attack bonus". It doesn't, but that's how it works. </p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1311073, member: 1656"] From the 3E Main FAQ: [b]If you use the true strike spell and you get a threat, does the +20 bonus from the apply to the critical confirmation roll? Would the +20 bonus apply to the extra attacks you get from the Cleave, Great Cleave, or Whirlwind attack feats?[/b] [i]When you roll to confirm a critical, you use whatever bonuses applied to the attack roll that made the threat, no matter where those bonuses came from. True strike affects only one attack. (Rolling to confirm a critical is not a separate attack for this purpose.) If you make multiple attacks in a round, your bonus from true strike applies only to the first attack you make, no matter how you managed to get multiple attacks.[/i] In the Cleave feat, the phrase "at the same bonus" distinguishes it from other feats which grant an extra attack "at your highest base attack bonus". If you have a BAB of +6/+1, and you drop an opponent with your first attack, then the Cleave is calculated using the +6 and any applicable modifiers. If you drop an opponent with your [i]second[/i] attack, then the Cleave is calculated using the +1 and any applicable modifiers. Since [i]True Strike[/i] discharges on your first attack, it is not an applicable modifier to the Cleave attack. Likewise, if I am Paladin making a mounted charge and Smiting Evil at a hobgoblin with my Goblinbane sword, then I have: +6: BAB +2: Strength bonus +2: Charging +4: Smite Evil +1: Enhancement bonus +2: Bane bonus +1: Higher Ground bonus Total: +18. I hit easily, of course, drop the hobgoblin, and Cleave into his Dire Wolf companion. I'm no longer charging. The wolf isn't evil, nor is it a goblinoid. And since it's Large, I don't get the higher ground modifier. So, using the same BAB figure (+6), I add any applicable modifiers - my Strength bonus (+2), and the Enhancement bonus of my sword (+1), for a total attack bonus of +9. If I'd gone the other way, charging the wolf and using Smite Evil on the Cleave of the hobgoblin instead, then my bonus would have been +11 on the initial attack, and +16 on the Cleave. The feat text, to remove ambiguity, [i]should[/i] say "at the same base attack bonus". It doesn't, but that's how it works. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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