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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1312626" data-attributes="member: 14214">Let me just say that I agree that this should be house ruled for balance sake...But as for what the technical 'rules' are saying, I'd believe they'd stack...FYI - This issue extends beyond just TS + Cleave, as both Guidance at 0th and Moment of Prescience at 8th both confer an 'insight' bonus to the next attack...Unfortunately, I must disagree.  I finally located the main source of this quote.  It's from the same 3.0 faq that states quite clearly that Cleave stacks with Whirlwind...  as 3.5 has changed that, there is some changes now in the stacking of feats and spells that could affect the TS + Cleave issue...Regardless, using this outdated faq does not lend credence to this issue as it would lend the same credence to whirlwind + cleave, which is obviously invalidated under 3.5.I.E.  This is what they said in 3.0 and I believe they were both right and wrong...  They were right - True strike only applies to the first attack you make in a round, and not to any other...  However, it confers a bonus to that attack.  Cleave states specifically that it makes a second attack at the same bonus as the first one.  A True Striked 1st level Fighter with a +4 Strength Mod has a +25 bonus to hit, total.  Cleave uses the -same- bonus to hit the second creature.Indeed - it distinguishes it from other feats alright - it states that you use the -same bonus-.  It does not say at the same -base- attack bonus, it doesn't even specify attack bonus, it just says the same bonus.Here I must disagree again in that Cleave does not require a recalculation of it's attack bonus - since it specifically states it uses 'the same bonus'...  Thus, you would not re-calculate your 'to hit' bonuses, you'd simply use the same one.There's the clincher of where we disagree.  You're interpreting the rules, which I, in turn, lump into a house rule (I use the same ruling in a specific house rule in my campaign - I'm actually considering removing True Strike entirely from my game)However, the rules state 'the same bonus' to your attack roll.Elsewhere, these same rules show you how to calculate your total attack bonus, and refer to it as your bonus to attack.There's less interpretation if you assume 'the same bonus' to mean the same total, not recalcing.Oh, and FYI: On your charge, the modifiers should carry through, even your charge modifier, or don't you think a charging knight with a lance can use his charge momentum against more than one opponent, provided they lined up right?  Bullets sure do - pass right through the one and hit the second guy in line.  It gets even more possible if you consider the nature of an 'insight' bonus.But again - I'm just discussing this from an academic viewpoint as I believe you have the right though on it from a balancing house rule perspective <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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