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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cactot" data-source="post: 2839454" data-attributes="member: 13700">a great combo that i havent seen posted anywheredeepwarden + MOMF (for overkill + warshaper)wildshape into any giant or troll (say a war troll)they are humanoid so your equip will strech to fit them, plus they have 27 base con.  (+8 con bonus) + 11 nat armor, so you effectively get 19 + 10 base + armor (say +2 ironwood breastplate for 7) + con mod spells/items (probably +4 con, so +2ac) + ring of protection +2, so in all likelyhood a lvl 10 with this combo would have ~40ac, moreso if you cast barkskin.  Not too shabby.  With the right gear/spells at lvl 15 (assuming you advance your troll to huge)nat armor - 13barkskin - 4ring of protection  - 4con bonus spell/amulet - 3creature natural con - 10if you have warshaper lvl 2 (from +4 con) - 2ironwood full plate +3 - 12+48 acso a total of +58ac without trying particularly hard.pretty cool, not terribly difficult either.  In more reasonable groups this could provide a good bonus without being broken, i imagine they will errata this and end up breaking more things.  Would actually be hugely useful in non-momf shapeshifting builds.  Makes it more feasable for people to actually get some use out of the animal combat forms.</blockquote>