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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DSC-EricPrice" data-source="post: 258830" data-attributes="member: 2110">Asking my players not to buy the DM and MM is an exercise in futility. Every one of them has been a DM at some time or another and has had a legimitate use for the books. That said, there are two players in my group who have gamed on a regular basis for the last 20 years. Even without the DMG and MM they are walking fountains of player knowledge. It frustrated me to no end to try and use monsters, give out items, or anything else because they knew what every item was. Then came 3E. Then came my savior Orcus, who in short order gave me plenty of new monsters, spells, and magic items (Creature Collection 2 and Relics and Rituals, among others) to keep these encyclopedia guessing. Now, as the PCs approach 5th level, they've nearly given up on trying to guess what a monster might be, what the grey cloak I just gave them might be, or anything else. The world is fresh and new for them, and I think they love it.Thanks go out to all who've reinvigorated DnD with the OGL.</blockquote>