Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Question regarding Bardic Knowledge
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tharkon" data-source="post: 5588756" data-attributes="member: 6674292"><p>Considering D&D a game, a class feature meant to be an advantage to the character</p><p>shouldn't suddenly have the possibility to become a disadvantage.</p><p>That's like having a Paladin who accidentally smites a non-evil character have his smite bonus subtracted instead of added,</p><p>because the positive energy of the smite somehow heals his opponent.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, here's an extract from the FAQ:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><strong>Can a bard use bardic knowledge anytime a Knowledge skill check called for?</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><strong></strong>Bardic knowledge is not a substitute for Knowledge checks. The PH doesn’t give a lot of detail about this class feature,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">indicating only that a bard can make the check “to see whether he knows some relevant information about local notable people,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">legendary items, or noteworthy places.”</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">By its nature, bardic knowledge represents stray knowledge and random bits remembered from stories, not encyclopedic details.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Compare that to the definition of a Knowledge skill, which describes it as “a study of some body of lore, possibly an academic</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">or even scientific discipline.” This is a narrow distinction, but one that the DM should keep in mind.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Asking the DM if your bard knows anything about the demon prince Orcus (whose cult the PCs are fighting),</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">or what the local duke’s favorite delicacy is, or if there are particularly interesting legends</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">concerning the so-called haunted forest just outside town, are all reasonable uses of bardic knowledge.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Bardic knowledge wouldn’t, on the other hand, enable the bard to provide details regarding a particular demon’s vulnerabilities,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">rattle off a complete list of all the kings and queens who have ruled a particular country,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">or identify a particular species of fern—all those answers would be more appropriately derived by Knowledge checks.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">If the vagueness of bardic knowledge doesn’t suit your tastes,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">the bardic knack variant class feature (PH2 35) provides a much clearer way to mimic a wide range of minor talents and knowledge.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"><strong>Bardic Knack</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">When making any skill check, you can use 1/2 your bard level (rounded up) in place of the number of ranks you have in the skill (even if that number is 0). For example, a 5th-level bard would have the equivalent of 3 ranks in Appraise, Balance, Bluff, and so on (but only for the purpose of making skill checks). You can’t take 10 on checks when you use bardic knack (to take 10 you have to use your actual ranks). If the skill doesn’t allow untrained checks, you must have at least 1 actual rank to attempt the check.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tharkon, post: 5588756, member: 6674292"] Considering D&D a game, a class feature meant to be an advantage to the character shouldn't suddenly have the possibility to become a disadvantage. That's like having a Paladin who accidentally smites a non-evil character have his smite bonus subtracted instead of added, because the positive energy of the smite somehow heals his opponent. Anyway, here's an extract from the FAQ: [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen][B]Can a bard use bardic knowledge anytime a Knowledge skill check called for? [/B]Bardic knowledge is not a substitute for Knowledge checks. The PH doesn’t give a lot of detail about this class feature, indicating only that a bard can make the check “to see whether he knows some relevant information about local notable people, legendary items, or noteworthy places.” By its nature, bardic knowledge represents stray knowledge and random bits remembered from stories, not encyclopedic details. Compare that to the definition of a Knowledge skill, which describes it as “a study of some body of lore, possibly an academic or even scientific discipline.” This is a narrow distinction, but one that the DM should keep in mind. Asking the DM if your bard knows anything about the demon prince Orcus (whose cult the PCs are fighting), or what the local duke’s favorite delicacy is, or if there are particularly interesting legends concerning the so-called haunted forest just outside town, are all reasonable uses of bardic knowledge. Bardic knowledge wouldn’t, on the other hand, enable the bard to provide details regarding a particular demon’s vulnerabilities, rattle off a complete list of all the kings and queens who have ruled a particular country, or identify a particular species of fern—all those answers would be more appropriately derived by Knowledge checks. If the vagueness of bardic knowledge doesn’t suit your tastes, the bardic knack variant class feature (PH2 35) provides a much clearer way to mimic a wide range of minor talents and knowledge. [B]Bardic Knack[/B] When making any skill check, you can use 1/2 your bard level (rounded up) in place of the number of ranks you have in the skill (even if that number is 0). For example, a 5th-level bard would have the equivalent of 3 ranks in Appraise, Balance, Bluff, and so on (but only for the purpose of making skill checks). You can’t take 10 on checks when you use bardic knack (to take 10 you have to use your actual ranks). If the skill doesn’t allow untrained checks, you must have at least 1 actual rank to attempt the check. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
Question regarding Bardic Knowledge
Top