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<blockquote data-quote="Deverash" data-source="post: 4257776" data-attributes="member: 54903">Under Total Concealment(PHB 281), first sentence&quot;You cannot see the target.&quot;&gt;&gt; I'd take the other sentence to be examples of what you can do to not be able to not see the target.&nbsp; That sentence is rather declareative, and isn't altered by the next sentence at all that I can see.Under Combat Advantage(PHB 280), in the box&quot;The following conditions give an attacker combat advantage against the defender.When the defender ...&lt;deleted&gt;Unable to see the attacker&quot;Under Stealth(PHB 188)...Success: You avoid notice, are unheard and hidden from view.&nbsp; If you later attack or shout, you are no longer hidden.From that, yes, if you move in to concealment, you can make a Stealth check vs. the targets passive Perception to get combat advantage for that one attack.&nbsp; After the attack, you'd be visible, unless you take another action and manage to stealth that one too.On the issue of cover and stealth, it's really unclear.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rule on using your allies as cover is specifically for your enemy using a ranged attack against you.&nbsp; A clearer defination would be great.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deverash, post: 4257776, member: 54903"] Under Total Concealment(PHB 281), first sentence "You cannot see the target." >> I'd take the other sentence to be examples of what you can do to not be able to not see the target. That sentence is rather declareative, and isn't altered by the next sentence at all that I can see. Under Combat Advantage(PHB 280), in the box "The following conditions give an attacker combat advantage against the defender. When the defender ... <deleted> Unable to see the attacker" Under Stealth(PHB 188) ... Success: You avoid notice, are unheard and hidden from view. If you later attack or shout, you are no longer hidden. From that, yes, if you move in to concealment, you can make a Stealth check vs. the targets passive Perception to get combat advantage for that one attack. After the attack, you'd be visible, unless you take another action and manage to stealth that one too. On the issue of cover and stealth, it's really unclear. The rule on using your allies as cover is specifically for your enemy using a ranged attack against you. A clearer defination would be great. [/QUOTE]

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