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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 187782" data-attributes="member: 3139">Okay here, I'm going to describe to you what hobgoblin "children" look like to me:...All are illegitimate offspring of the semi-prostitute/concubine females with warlike hobgoblin men who rape and plunder everything weaker than them. At birth, the offspring are scanned by clerics with detect good and detect chaos , taken from the mother and shoved into iron cages deep within the bowels of the hobgoblin's caves. From there, they are force fed gruel, miscellaneous body parts and offal by malicious taskmasters. They are constantly tortured with sticks and hot iron brands. Each are given sharp implements such as daggers and needles, with which they may stab those offspring weaker than they and cannibalize them.After a few weeks, they are let out of their cages for drill instruction. Each is forced to stand. Those who do not stand are beaten severely. They are taught the basics of weapon use. Those that do not understand are beaten severely. Each are taught how to march. Those that do not understand are beaten severely. If the offspring die, so be it. Every night, they are forced back to their cages. Every day is strict training, legalized torture and vicious cruelty. Organized melees are common. None are ever healed and some die. The offspring are indoctrinated in the basics of the hobgoblin language, propaganda, religion, and caste system. The beliefs of racial superiority, might-makes-right and strict discipline are force-fed with torture and brainwashing techniques developed over centuries by previous hobgoblin fanatics. This continues for about ten years at which point the offspring are assigned duties within the caste system of the hobgoblins. This is where their real training begins....So you see, my definition of hobgoblin offspring does not coincide with the word "children". To have whimpering, whining hobgoblins in my campaign is such a contradiction that I cannot even begin to fathom.Those hobgoblin offspring would have been armed to the teeth and marched against the party. The extremely young would have stabbed them with knives and bitten like rabid dogs....I do not believe in either Nature or Nuture. I believe in Nature and Nuture. Hobgoblins are both predisposed to evil and taught to be evil.Sure, you could take a hobgoblin from birth and teach it how to be good in all sorts of ways, and this will increase the chances of it being good. I disagree that it would have the same chances as a human because of inherent predisposition....As per defenseless humanoids: IMO, it is not Good to attack unless attacked first. If the creatures are defenseless because they already attacked the PCs or other good NPCs, then the PCs are justified in killing them.(Hence why hobgoblin offspring are not evil to kill.)If the creatures are defenseless and have not specifically attacked either the PCs or other good PCs, then the PCs are not justified in killing them.  Unless those specific orcs, goblins, kobolds and the bugbear had attacked the PCs, Good NPCs, belonged to an organization that promoted killing Good people, or commited some other atrocity that the PCs knew about, then you are perfectly within your rights to make the CN as evil as the come.</blockquote>

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