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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Larry Fitz" data-source="post: 194901" data-attributes="member: 3949"><p>Well said, that was certainly within what I was trying to say. But also my point about the Elf fighter in particular not having the MM is still valid, not the player mind you, but the character. He should frankly be shocked to find out that not all hobgoblins are evil, in fact he should be downright incredulous. And what would a NG Hobgoblin be doing in a lair ruled by LE Hobgoblins? Trying to change their minds? Undermining their society? Preaching that they should all abandon their own evil Gods and instead worship some nice human or Elvish God? A Hobgoblin who is somewhat non-committal on the whole Good/Evil thing I can see still being there, but a Good one? Of course the argument is that a good Hobgoblin who is a child could not have left yet. The answer there would have been for the child, bolstered by the strength of it's convictions (which would have to be extremely strong to be the lone voice of Goodness in this den of iniquity) stands before the adventurers, not cowering, not wimpering, but calmly and rationally says before the Elf swings, "if you kill us just because you can, then you are as bad as you think we are..." THAT would give the players pause to rethink the situation, and if it didn't stop the Elf, then his superior morality argument no longer holds up. It also would have been better RP than just having them cower and wimper, or maybe an enigmatic "So this is how it ends, I guess the old Elf was wrong..." anything that would have opened a dialogue and shown the Hobgoblin young as something other than smaller versions of the same enemy. It did not however seem like the DM was trying to present these as anything other than just younger scared hobgoblins, there was no future MLK or St Francis among them, just some monsters wimpering and cowering because they would never get to be the top of the Hobgoblin social pyramid lording their power over the weaker and less aggressive throngs.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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