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<blockquote data-quote="Chrisling" data-source="post: 405283" data-attributes="member: 6816"><p><strong>Re: Shades of Grey</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a specious justification for torture. The reason is pretty simple. The first is, y'know, it doesn't happen. The second reason is even if it did happen torture just wouldn't work.</p><p></p><p>The scenario is you think you've got someone who can tell you what you need to know to stop a horrible thing from happening. So, the person only needs to hold out against torture for a short period of time in the first place. In the second place -- and this is the general problem with torture as an information gathering tool -- torture victims don't tell the truth. They tell the torturer what the victim thinks the torturer wants to hear. Anything. To stop the pain. So the information that is gotten from torture <i>is not reliable</i>. You're torturing someone for information that is a gamble, rather than doing something else to defuse the situation.</p><p></p><p>Which is the other weakness -- it isn't as though torture is the only thing you can do. There is no proof whatsoever that torture is more useful than other methods used to solve the problem -- such as finding and defusing the bomb or "evil artifact."</p><p></p><p>All of this presumes that the person tortured actually has the information needed <i>and that his torturers believe him</i>! Both of which are problematic.</p><p></p><p>So, when a person choses torture, they're risking torturing a person who simply doesn't know the information they need (in which case they'll not only fail but be a torturer of an innocent), that they'll believe the information when given, that they can act on it efficiently -- all of which are extremely presumptuous.</p><p></p><p>I've never heard of a scenario under which torture is an acceptable, much less a good, option. I defy someone to come up with one.</p><p></p><p><I>And</I>, for the record, yeah, Israel tortures people. Not only have they justly been condemned by numerous international organizations, <i>it has not helped their situation</i> -- indeed, their enemies use the fact of their barbarities to drive people against Israel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chrisling, post: 405283, member: 6816"] [b]Re: Shades of Grey[/b] This is a specious justification for torture. The reason is pretty simple. The first is, y'know, it doesn't happen. The second reason is even if it did happen torture just wouldn't work. The scenario is you think you've got someone who can tell you what you need to know to stop a horrible thing from happening. So, the person only needs to hold out against torture for a short period of time in the first place. In the second place -- and this is the general problem with torture as an information gathering tool -- torture victims don't tell the truth. They tell the torturer what the victim thinks the torturer wants to hear. Anything. To stop the pain. So the information that is gotten from torture <i>is not reliable</i>. You're torturing someone for information that is a gamble, rather than doing something else to defuse the situation. Which is the other weakness -- it isn't as though torture is the only thing you can do. There is no proof whatsoever that torture is more useful than other methods used to solve the problem -- such as finding and defusing the bomb or "evil artifact." All of this presumes that the person tortured actually has the information needed <i>and that his torturers believe him</i>! Both of which are problematic. So, when a person choses torture, they're risking torturing a person who simply doesn't know the information they need (in which case they'll not only fail but be a torturer of an innocent), that they'll believe the information when given, that they can act on it efficiently -- all of which are extremely presumptuous. I've never heard of a scenario under which torture is an acceptable, much less a good, option. I defy someone to come up with one. <I>And</I>, for the record, yeah, Israel tortures people. Not only have they justly been condemned by numerous international organizations, <i>it has not helped their situation</i> -- indeed, their enemies use the fact of their barbarities to drive people against Israel. [/QUOTE]
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