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<blockquote data-quote="Volomon" data-source="post: 5242379" data-attributes="member: 91317"><p>Pg 104, last paragraph Animals and other creatures incapable of moral <em>ACTIONS</em> this is the difference actions with moral content, frankly not trying to be rude it's just a plain given. Intent has a purpose but only so far in making a mistake, but it's ultimately the action that follows that gives the results. Intent in itself can not make you good or evil, you can intend all you want to save someone falling off a cliff, but if you stand there and watch with all the intent in your heart to eventually get over there after you ate your banana. You just did something evil you prioritize your stomach over the life of the individual.</p><p></p><p>Evil is a moral act (action) Chaotic or Lawful is a action in itself to obey or not obey the law (man made or code of conduct), and to point out the personal nature of conduct can be varied so this is a bit grey. Intent has no purpose at all because it's a neutral position, until it's acted upon or failed to be acted upon in the case of the guy and the banana.</p><p></p><p>It also says Evil is the act of hurting, oppressing, and killing others. These are the actions you must take, these action do not have to involve direct physical contact/violence, the act can involve taking money off another player character for your own purposes. Lying to the cleric for the purposes of leaving behind an individual so you can brutally torture him for information to further the adventure. Lawful does not mean you follow the law of man, but a rule of conduct.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh, well see I still see it being used in 3.5 or attempted to be used, and displayed as a viable build for 3.5.</p><p></p><p>Also on a previous note,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the PHB under wish, unusual requests and overpowered wishes fall under the dangerous guideline, <em>gives the DM the opportunity to fulfill your request without fulfilling it completely. For example, wishing for a staff of the magi might get you instantly transported to the presence of the staff's current owner</em>. A candle of invocation was just used to get wishes, yes it's an opinion, but I would have to say its a widely common opinion that this might prove to be to powerful. If a DM doesn't agree with that opinion then more power to him but I say that campaign is going down the wrong road. Ultimately that part of the wish is always under DM control, hence no defined limit in the Wish description.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Volomon, post: 5242379, member: 91317"] Pg 104, last paragraph Animals and other creatures incapable of moral [I]ACTIONS[/I] this is the difference actions with moral content, frankly not trying to be rude it's just a plain given. Intent has a purpose but only so far in making a mistake, but it's ultimately the action that follows that gives the results. Intent in itself can not make you good or evil, you can intend all you want to save someone falling off a cliff, but if you stand there and watch with all the intent in your heart to eventually get over there after you ate your banana. You just did something evil you prioritize your stomach over the life of the individual. Evil is a moral act (action) Chaotic or Lawful is a action in itself to obey or not obey the law (man made or code of conduct), and to point out the personal nature of conduct can be varied so this is a bit grey. Intent has no purpose at all because it's a neutral position, until it's acted upon or failed to be acted upon in the case of the guy and the banana. It also says Evil is the act of hurting, oppressing, and killing others. These are the actions you must take, these action do not have to involve direct physical contact/violence, the act can involve taking money off another player character for your own purposes. Lying to the cleric for the purposes of leaving behind an individual so you can brutally torture him for information to further the adventure. Lawful does not mean you follow the law of man, but a rule of conduct. Ahh, well see I still see it being used in 3.5 or attempted to be used, and displayed as a viable build for 3.5. Also on a previous note, In the PHB under wish, unusual requests and overpowered wishes fall under the dangerous guideline, [I]gives the DM the opportunity to fulfill your request without fulfilling it completely. For example, wishing for a staff of the magi might get you instantly transported to the presence of the staff's current owner[/I]. A candle of invocation was just used to get wishes, yes it's an opinion, but I would have to say its a widely common opinion that this might prove to be to powerful. If a DM doesn't agree with that opinion then more power to him but I say that campaign is going down the wrong road. Ultimately that part of the wish is always under DM control, hence no defined limit in the Wish description. [/QUOTE]
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