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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5242530" data-attributes="member: 35909">The most broken part of the Pun Pun combo is actually the creature you turn into to fuel the trick.&nbsp; The Sarruhk or whatever it's called is probably the dumbest idea for a monster.&nbsp; EVER.&nbsp; I don't know how the assume supernatural trait feat works and if there's any limits on it, but that's probably the second most broken item in the combo.But yeah, I have to wonder why the OP even cares about the how or why of this stuff.&nbsp; No one should ever actually try to do it in a real game, even the creators of these exploits usually say as much!&nbsp; There's a term used for these things...&quot;Theoretical Optimization.&quot;&nbsp; It's basically just a form of mental masturbation, because anything as game breaking as Pun Pun or the Candle of Invocation trick would never be allowed by any experienced DM and would completely wreck a game it was allowed in.&nbsp; It's nice to point out gross negligence and hidden loopholes in rules text to encourage better proofreading and editting in future books, but there's no real practical use for any of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5242530, member: 35909"] The most broken part of the Pun Pun combo is actually the creature you turn into to fuel the trick. The Sarruhk or whatever it's called is probably the dumbest idea for a monster. EVER. I don't know how the assume supernatural trait feat works and if there's any limits on it, but that's probably the second most broken item in the combo. But yeah, I have to wonder why the OP even cares about the how or why of this stuff. No one should ever actually try to do it in a real game, even the creators of these exploits usually say as much! There's a term used for these things..."Theoretical Optimization." It's basically just a form of mental masturbation, because anything as game breaking as Pun Pun or the Candle of Invocation trick would never be allowed by any experienced DM and would completely wreck a game it was allowed in. It's nice to point out gross negligence and hidden loopholes in rules text to encourage better proofreading and editting in future books, but there's no real practical use for any of it. [/QUOTE]

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