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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 7500334" data-attributes="member: 6803664">I'd say it's fairly typical.  But it's not at all a 5e problem.  See, players (of whatever system), often tend to fall into the thought trap I highlighted in red above.  To avoid this?  Stop looking at character creation/advancement & play as a math problem.  You're character is not a "build".  Instead, consider "What could I take that would best represent the character I'm playing?"  Take that.  Even if it doesn't add more +s to hit/dam.For ex: In our Fri night game I'm playing a very effective lv.8 barbarian.Ok, I bet I know what you're envisioning <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> - a hulking brute (maybe 1/2orc) with maxed out str, swinging a big weapon, & lightly armored.  Probably took the GWM feat.  That'd certainly be effective. Would it surprise you that my very effective barbarian is actually:  A LG 1/2ling with a good Cha  wearing a breastplate  typically fights with hand axe & shield (sometimes uses either a magic scimitar or spear)  has a 14 str  is proficient in arcana  and has the healer & linguistic feats?  Oh, and the path I've chosen is Ancestral Guardian. To date I've had no trouble hitting or damaging foes.  Nor have I had any trouble participating/being useful outside of combat. Am I rolling to hit/dam with maxed out bonuses?  Nope (nor do I need to be).  But the choices I've made very accurately depict the character I'm envisioning.  How I play makes me effective.  And often enough more-so than other characters with higher modifiers....</blockquote>

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