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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3331004" data-attributes="member: 11697">Ahhh, ok gotcha. I got confused on what you were saying. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Primus doesn't really have any true rivals on Mechanus.But to reply to what you said before that:Aye, the Formian's of Mechanus are an abomination compared to the portion of their race that still resides in Arcadia. I wouldn't be surprised if their fall hasn't stopped yet. Acheron would seem to be waiting for them with open arms. The Formian Hive Queen of the former Naumensus/Menausus layer of Arcadia is powerful, but not Primus level, and while the One and the Prime is connected to Mechanus on a primal level, she's a recent immigrant.There are the Moignos, beings of living mathematics, who collectively inflicted hideous casualties on the modrons in a brief war, but they don't have any (known) leaders.Then there are the Parai (called Visilights in 3.5). I've always been partial to the idea of their being a higher tier of Parai that represents a higher level of the &quot;perfection&quot; that the Parai as a race strive for. They're less known in 3e, but they're probably the largest long-term threat to the Modrons (modrons and parai will kill one another on sight). But any notion of a Parai Queen or queens is purely speculation on my part. And yes, I did attempt an ecology pitch on these guys, but the hook didn't get a bite. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 3331004, member: 11697"] Ahhh, ok gotcha. I got confused on what you were saying. :) Primus doesn't really have any true rivals on Mechanus. But to reply to what you said before that: Aye, the Formian's of Mechanus are an abomination compared to the portion of their race that still resides in Arcadia. I wouldn't be surprised if their fall hasn't stopped yet. Acheron would seem to be waiting for them with open arms. The Formian Hive Queen of the former Naumensus/Menausus layer of Arcadia is powerful, but not Primus level, and while the One and the Prime is connected to Mechanus on a primal level, she's a recent immigrant. There are the Moignos, beings of living mathematics, who collectively inflicted hideous casualties on the modrons in a brief war, but they don't have any (known) leaders. Then there are the Parai (called Visilights in 3.5). I've always been partial to the idea of their being a higher tier of Parai that represents a higher level of the "perfection" that the Parai as a race strive for. They're less known in 3e, but they're probably the largest long-term threat to the Modrons (modrons and parai will kill one another on sight). But any notion of a Parai Queen or queens is purely speculation on my part. And yes, I did attempt an ecology pitch on these guys, but the hook didn't get a bite. ;) [/QUOTE]

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