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<blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 5981946" data-attributes="member: 6681948">At 1st level, assuming a 16 casting stat, I get +4, and need a 17+, so I need a roll of 13+.&nbsp; At 2nd, I'll need a 12+.&nbsp; At 3rd, back to 13+ to use a 2nd level spell.&nbsp; So I should have a 40% chance at the worst of times.&nbsp; I can bump that to a 60% chance with Combat Casting.&nbsp; A higher casting stat (and I think 16 is pretty modest) further enhances my odds.I think what the change actually did was make this less of a slam dunk - casting in combat is back to being difficult, so that Raging Barbarian with the ability to follow your 5' step actually has a shot at beating a Wizard.Well, let's see...&nbsp; if I boost my casting stat from 16 to 20 over the course of 20 levels, and tack on a +6 INT item, now I have Lv + 8, so at 17th level, I have a +25 to get a 33 (15 + 18) and succeed with my highest level spell.&nbsp; I need an 8+ (65% chance of success) or a 4+ (85%) with Combat Casting.&nbsp; That seems far from a miniscule boost.&nbsp; And maybe the Wizard caught in combat needs to consider using a lower level spell to simplify the process.While the other checks are based on spell level, they generally have another factor (damage taken; DC of the spell that hit you; grappler's CMB) all of which I would expect will increase with your level, as the power of your challengers increases.&nbsp; Allowing casting in combat at 15 + Spell Level would mean a 4th level spell for a L8 caster (now at 18 Stat) is a +12 roll to get a 19, so a 70% chance (90% with Combat Casting) with no ability enhancing item (or spell).&nbsp; Casting in combat is getting pretty trivial by mid levels.I think Pathfinder wants casting in combat to be a significant risk&nbsp; across the levels, and 2x spell level is necessary to achieve that&nbsp; objective.&nbsp; If you want spellcasters easily blasting off spells in combat, change the rule to Spell Level rather than 2x Spell level.&nbsp; Or make it even easier and remove the AoO for spellcasting entirely.&nbsp; Modify the rules for the flavour you want in your game.&nbsp; My casters prefer to remain out of melee range anyway, thanks - we're a pretty squishy bunch!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="N'raac, post: 5981946, member: 6681948"] At 1st level, assuming a 16 casting stat, I get +4, and need a 17+, so I need a roll of 13+. At 2nd, I'll need a 12+. At 3rd, back to 13+ to use a 2nd level spell. So I should have a 40% chance at the worst of times. I can bump that to a 60% chance with Combat Casting. A higher casting stat (and I think 16 is pretty modest) further enhances my odds. I think what the change actually did was make this less of a slam dunk - casting in combat is back to being difficult, so that Raging Barbarian with the ability to follow your 5' step actually has a shot at beating a Wizard. Well, let's see... if I boost my casting stat from 16 to 20 over the course of 20 levels, and tack on a +6 INT item, now I have Lv + 8, so at 17th level, I have a +25 to get a 33 (15 + 18) and succeed with my highest level spell. I need an 8+ (65% chance of success) or a 4+ (85%) with Combat Casting. That seems far from a miniscule boost. And maybe the Wizard caught in combat needs to consider using a lower level spell to simplify the process. While the other checks are based on spell level, they generally have another factor (damage taken; DC of the spell that hit you; grappler's CMB) all of which I would expect will increase with your level, as the power of your challengers increases. Allowing casting in combat at 15 + Spell Level would mean a 4th level spell for a L8 caster (now at 18 Stat) is a +12 roll to get a 19, so a 70% chance (90% with Combat Casting) with no ability enhancing item (or spell). Casting in combat is getting pretty trivial by mid levels. I think Pathfinder wants casting in combat to be a significant risk across the levels, and 2x spell level is necessary to achieve that objective. If you want spellcasters easily blasting off spells in combat, change the rule to Spell Level rather than 2x Spell level. Or make it even easier and remove the AoO for spellcasting entirely. Modify the rules for the flavour you want in your game. My casters prefer to remain out of melee range anyway, thanks - we're a pretty squishy bunch! [/QUOTE]

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